WSP(India) Sep 2016 EC minutes
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WORLD SOCIALIST PARTY (INDIA)
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MINUTES OF EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING NO. 167
Head Office, Sunday, September 4, 2016: Called to order: 7:00 PM (rain)
Present (EC Members): Binay Sarkar, Harisadhan Ghosh, Sumitra Mondal, Pradip Singha (soaked to the skin in rain)
Absent: None
Attendee: Dipankar Roy (partially dripping wet)
Election: Chairperson: Harisadhan Ghosh on motion of Binay Sarkar and Sumitra Mondal; Minutes Writer: Pradip Singha
EC Minutes No. 166 was read and confirmed on motion of Binay Sarkar and Pradip Singha
Membership Application: None
Correspondence: Please note that any comments in square brackets “[]” are comments from the General Secretary.
Inward:
– SPGB Minutes of the 8th meeting of the 113th Executive Committee held on 6th August 2016.
– SPC Newsletter September 2016.
– Julian Vein: [spopen] showing “All Aboard the Socialism Train”
– Academia.edu: Total 17 emails (during 8 August to 3 September).
– Sher Singh: Email 03/09/16 – Fwd: Video Majdoor Samachar.
Outbound: Responses as required to incoming correspondence.
MSC: To receive and file incoming and to endorse outgoing correspondence.
Matters Arising:
HISTORY OF ECONOMICS pamphlet copies have been sent to our Companion Parties. Now we look for their requirements.
WSP (I) EC’s observations on the SPGB EC majority’s violation of their own party principle and rule (see our June & July EC Minutes) on the question of their “Form ‘A’ i.r.o. Gorachand Paramanik” remain yet to be dealt with by the SPGB EC.
Reports of Executives and Committees:
Advancement of the Movement:
[B,Sarkar and P. Singha are going on posting and interacting on Facebook timelines. Harisadhan Ghosh is writing letters and articles in Bengali which are being published in Kolkata based Bengali dailies.]
Academia.edu
They are now displaying some 40 papers and 12 drafts 15 books (actually 15 chapters of a book) and 3 teaching documents uploaded by BS.
⃰ We see this fast growing (from 36,882,115 academics on May 1, 2016 to 41,268,002 today) platform very useful for uploading and propagating world socialist ideas. So our comrades should make use of this platform.
The World Socialist Party (India)_Discussion Forum and the website: http://www.worldsocialistpartyindia.org are attracting new contacts.
Facebook: Discussion Forum membership stands at 1,865
Sunday Discussion: Every Sunday in the evening we meet to read and discuss Marxism, Leninism, Political Economy, Economics and other selected subjects.
Literature: Party literature distribution is going on
Socialist Standard: August 2016 packets arrived
Unfinished Business: None
New Business: WSP (I) AMM 2016:
AUTUMN SCHOOL: 22 October, Saturday, 2 PM – 7 PM (with breaks):
Subject: History of Economics, Speaker: B. Sarkar
AUTUMN MEMBERSHIP MEETING: 23 October, Sunday: 1 PM to 7 PM (with breaks):
Discussion: History of Economics.
Financial Report:
Collection of Dues:
Financial Report: August 2016: (Rupees)
Income: 2,569.00
Expenditure: 3,350.00
Deficit: 781.00
Deficit BF: 19,662.00
Net Deficit: 20,443.00
Membership Subscription & Donation: Included in “Income” above.
MSC: To accept the financial report and to receive donations with thanks.
Next EC Meeting: Head Office, Sunday, October 2, 2016, 5 PM
Meeting Adjourned at 7.59 PM.
Dear Comrades,I think the SPGB's EC never violated any rules, Binay Sarkar should read the SPGB's rule book carefully. The rule No.26 holds → The method and the result of a party poll shall overule all other decisions. I know the decision is not from the WSP(I) as a whole, but Binay Sarkar is the decision maker alone. I know he is a vindictive. YFS,Gorachand
Gorachand, you may, of course, comment on the minutes of the WSP (India) but can i remind you of this rule and the section i have highlighted
Quote:7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.This is not an official reminder but more of a comradely early intervention to avoid future problems. Cde. Sarkar is a fellow member of the WSM and we cannot accept having aspersions cast upon his character on the forum. I hope you take note of this informal cautionary message so that the issue does not become more serious. Take care with future posts.
moderator2 wrote:This is not an official reminder but more of a comradely early intervention to avoid future problems. Cde. Sarkar is a fellow member of the WSM and we cannot accept having aspersions cast upon his character on the forum.If this is not an official reminder to Gorachand wouldn't it have been preferable to send him a PM? But it occurs to me that he was well within the limits of Rule 7 which permits the candid and forceful expression of views. Odd too that "aspersions" can be cast upon certain members of the SPGB without so much as a murmur from the moderators.
Seems like any attempt to smooth over the bumps and pot-holes of this forum with a non-contentious approach results in more controversy.But, yes, a PM may have been the advisable route to take, even though a message directed to one particular person may well also be helpful advice for others on the forum and it perhaps should be shared with the forum.Your view that calling a comrade "vindictive" is acceptable happens not to be shared by this moderator but the use of it was not expressing such extreme disrespect that it would warrant posting an official reminder. If in the past, moderators permitted uncomradely aspersions to be cast on other forum users, then you will acknowledge and appreciate that the moderators are now making efforts to end, or at least, minimise such exchanges.
So can members question mods decisions or not without receiving warnings and suspensions ??http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/website-technical/moderators-decision-cde-marattys-indefinite-forum-ban?page=16#comment-34598 Maybe it is simply Consistency that is required?
gnome wrote:moderator2 wrote:This is not an official reminder but more of a comradely early intervention to avoid future problems. Cde. Sarkar is a fellow member of the WSM and we cannot accept having aspersions cast upon his character on the forum.If this is not an official reminder to Gorachand wouldn't it have been preferable to send him a PM? But it occurs to me that he was well within the limits of Rule 7 which permits the candid and forceful expression of views. Odd too that "aspersions" can be cast upon certain members of the SPGB without so much as a murmur from the moderators.
The moderators were so biased in their approach they even let a particularly uncomradely aspersion made against themselves go unchallenged.
SocialistPunk wrote:gnome wrote:moderator2 wrote:This is not an official reminder but more of a comradely early intervention to avoid future problems. Cde. Sarkar is a fellow member of the WSM and we cannot accept having aspersions cast upon his character on the forum.If this is not an official reminder to Gorachand wouldn't it have been preferable to send him a PM? But it occurs to me that he was well within the limits of Rule 7 which permits the candid and forceful expression of views. Odd too that "aspersions" can be cast upon certain members of the SPGB without so much as a murmur from the moderators.
The moderators were so biased in their approach they even let a particularly uncomradely aspersion made against themselves go unchallenged.
Yes SP but are you a Mod challenging a challenge against a Mod, or are you a forum member challenging a challenge against a Mod and does this make me a Forum member questioning a mod, challenging a mod, challenging a forum member, challenging a mod, or a forum member, questioning a forum member, challenging a forum member, challenging a Mod…….. at the court of King Caractacus
Message #6Is this really relevant to the case at point?Cde. Gnome took issue with my message which was posted to indicate that the OP had breached a rule which i did not deem too serious but sufficient for an action equivalent of a referee taking a player aside for a word.Gnome rightly pointed out that it should have been done by PM In retrospect, Gorachand may feel aggrieved a quiet word being so public. As for your demand for consistency, we are damned if we and damned if we aren't. I suggest you keep this thread to its topic – the WSP (India) minutes.
The moderator 2 is very democratic. Cde. Sarkar is a fellow member of the WSM and we cannot accept having aspersions cast upon his character on the forum. But Mr. Sarkar can do this because I am not a member of the WSM ? or the SPGB's EC members are not within the WSM ? I see the EC members of the SPGB has attacked in every minutes of the WSP(I). I expressed here a real fact, no problem if the moderator blocked me from this forum.
SocialistPunk wrote:gnome wrote:moderator2 wrote:This is not an official reminder but more of a comradely early intervention to avoid future problems. Cde. Sarkar is a fellow member of the WSM and we cannot accept having aspersions cast upon his character on the forum.If this is not an official reminder to Gorachand wouldn't it have been preferable to send him a PM? But it occurs to me that he was well within the limits of Rule 7 which permits the candid and forceful expression of views. Odd too that "aspersions" can be cast upon certain members of the SPGB without so much as a murmur from the moderators.
The moderators were so biased in their approach they even let a particularly uncomradely aspersion made against themselves go unchallenged.
Is that right, SP? Then be my guest and attempt to defend the other two moderators non-intervention on these occasions when "uncomradely aspersions" were made by one of their own wearing a different hat.http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/party-video-2016?page=15#comment-34067http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/world-socialist-movement/party-video-2016?page=19#comment-34371
This is now an official reminder
Quote:1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.The topic is the WSP(INDIA) minutes, not a discussion on moderation. Gnomes original query i saw as legitimate, but the rest are not.
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