why not?

[admice]

http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/printpdf/book/export/html/3564

 

Ooh, well done!.

Anyway I really am trying to use the search, I really am, but can't find articles on why people DON'T consider socialism. They've been pretty effective in making it seem marginalized. Seemed to me you could have a global democracy anytime.

[Anonymous]

Hi admice,My own opinion on this is that 'socialism' has been distorted beyond recognition. To the vaste majority of workers it means the Labour Party, Soviet Union, Nationalisation etc.. So at any mention of the word socialism these images come into their heads and are immidiately rejected. (and rightly).As the Party has said for years 'socialism has not failed, it has never been tried' and I would add that workers do not reject  socialism, they  reject the distorted image of socialism. Have you any ideas yourself about why people don't consider socialist ideas?  

[admice]

Certainly has been distorted, slandered? Libeled? Guess you can’t do that to an abstract, hmm, mischaracterized anyway just as communism was co-opted and now is equated with all that bloodshed. I think I’m really for communism, without centralization, but of course could never say that. So much bad press, almost no good press.And once you start considering it, you realize how much research is necessary because it’s so confusing, so much deceit and obfuscation, so many differing groups. I’m a researcher, but most people don’t want to or can’t do all that. Especially if the wrong choice gets you shot. And when you really consider it, it can be very frightening, knowing what we’d be up against. I think before now, it wouldn’t have been possible. You need almost instant communication and coordination to cover the whole populated globe, suddenly, simultaneously (or nearly).And most people think tribally. Even you, look how you referenced the Labour Party, which is only in your, granted powerful, but small neck of the woods. How many people think of no countries, even with Lennon’s song? I thought of it in my teens and never met anyone else before I was in my 40’s (other than the Hari Krishna’s). Granted, I was shy.O, I don’t know how many there may be of ‘us’ (I don’t’ know for sure who ‘us’ even is, but it’s mostly like you guys).  Anyway, once I started really thinking about it, I realized I don’t know what they are fighting for in the Middle East maybe socialism and I don’t know. By ‘they’ I mean the ‘rebels’ not Assad, U.S., Covert U.S, etc. (I KNOW what they’re fighting over). Maybe there have been several socialist uprisings in the last few years and I am unaware. They still keep us in the dark and separated somewhat. Like that we can be quashed. But mostly they just try to get people to dismiss out of hand. That’s not even addressing people who know they are opposed to it (till their loved ones get sick and they need help).I'm gonna put part of my answer elsewhere, just thought of something bugging me.

[steve colborn]

There have been no Socialist uprisings, anywhere, at anytime. Once one has a "Socialist understanding", there comes a corollary understanding, a broader prospective if you will. It is an understanding, that with a "Socialist perspective, so many avenues of thought come to mind. The realisation that if you, as an individual worker, have achieved such a level of consciousness, there is no reason why any other worker cannot do the same. It is an understanding that there are, in fact, certain preconditions that are necessary, before a Socialist transformation can take place. The primary one, at this historical time, as opposed to 1917 Russia, is not the ability to fulfill the needs of all workers, which exists now but not in Russia at that time but is, a "class consciousness". An understanding of what is going on today, Capitalism. Of what is wrong with Capitalism and why it cannot be made to work in 'workers' interests but further, to understand that there is, in fact, an alternative! An alternative where, we all as free and equal individuals, possess the world and everything in and on it. That as we take freely of the store of wealth, we realise, as self aware  class conscious individuals, that we must give of our time to fill this store of wealth. That in a society of class conscious individuals, leaders would be unnecessary. All one would have, is an administration of things, not people. That Socialism/Communism, call it what you will, would be a totally democratic society. Where every decisions that affected "you", "you" would have a say in…………… This post is only a start. How do you all think mass class conscious would affect Capitalism and down the road, how would it influence a future, Socialist society????????????? Stevie C.

[Anonymous]

steve colborn wrote:

There have been no Socialist uprisings, anywhere, at anytime. Once one has a "Socialist understanding", there comes a corollary understanding, a broader prospective if you will. It is an understanding, that with a "Socialist perspective, so many avenues of thought come to mind. The realisation that if you, as an individual worker, have achieved such a level of consciousness, there is no reason why any other worker cannot do the same. It is an understanding that there are, in fact, certain preconditions that are necessary, before a Socialist transformation can take place. The primary one, at this historical time, as opposed to 1917 Russia, is not the ability to fulfill the needs of all workers, which exists now but not in Russia at that time but is, a "class consciousness". An understanding of what is going on today, Capitalism. Of what is wrong with Capitalism and why it cannot be made to work in 'workers' interests but further, to understand that there is, in fact, an alternative! An alternative where, we all as free and equal individuals, possess the world and everything in and on it. That as we take freely of the store of wealth, we realise, as self aware  class conscious individuals, that we must give of our time to fill this store of wealth. That in a society of class conscious individuals, leaders would be unnecessary. All one would have, is an administration of things, not people. That Socialism/Communism, call it what you will, would be a totally democratic society. Where every decisions that affected "you", "you" would have a say in…………… This post is only a start. How do you all think mass class conscious would affect Capitalism and down the road, how would it influence a future, Socialist society????????????? Stevie C.

 That is why it is so  important to understand what socialism is. It is not the concept of the Maoists of  obtaining  the theory on route. At the present time  we do need first the subjective conditions

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