White House Announcement on "Socialism"

December 2024 Forums General discussion White House Announcement on "Socialism"

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    Anonymous
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    I don’t give a shit of what the White House and all those social democrats disguised as socialists say about socialism. We know that they are just the political representative of the US ruling class, and they are not going to give the proper definition. and the proper application. Socialism has been defined for many years, and it is simple, it is the common possession of the world means of productions, administered democratically by the vast majority of the workers of the whole world, it is a stateless, moneyless, leaderless, world society, based on free access, without borders, and without the concept of nation-state. We do not need a PhD to understand that, and we do not a leader, or a so-called cadre to define for us

     

    #155708
    alanjjohnstone
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    I understand and sympathise with your view, Marcos, but what this report has done is reflect what the vast majority believe socialism is and the opinion of a minuscule organisation has no influence upon the understanding of those workers we need to come on to our side.

    We can now better focus our campaign on correcting the false interpretation held by most people, and that really the Bolsheviks and Leninism is no longer central to what people think socialism is but that it is government directed state capitalism they believe is socialism.

    We hold a vision of as you say a world that is a stateless, moneyless, leaderless, world society, based on free access, without borders, and without the concept of nation-state. Yes, we do not need a PhD to understand that…but we do have to hear about it, be told about it, have it described to us. We need to debate and discuss the socialist concept, not only what it it is but how we can achieve it.

    Please indicate where such an exchange is really taking place on the scale that is necessary to accomplish change.

    Where people are talking about socialism, even incorrectly and inaccurately, we need to be present to offer our ideas. Very sadly and tragically, through no fault of our own, our voice has been absent.

    Just how do we challenge the prevalent narrative on what socialism is?

    A question i concede i have no answer and i see no others having any more success on what is the Thin Red Line of non-market anti-state socialists.

    Which leaves us carrying on business as usual…and waiting for some sort of miraculous development in our fellow-workers consciousness.

    Such a sombre assessment is not at all promising for a newcomer to our forum as the OP is and i apologise to him or her.

    #155945
    alanjjohnstone
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    The welfare statists hit back

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46029980

     

    #183296
    alanjjohnstone
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    Trump’s State of the Union speech

    “Here, in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country. America was founded on liberty and independence — and not government coercion, domination and control. We are born free, and we will stay free. Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.”

    #183303
    Anonymous
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    Probably, many Americans and Donald trump himself don’t know that most of the social Democrats reforms approved during the presidency of Roosevelt , and during the Great Depression were pushed up by socialists, communists, anarchists,  and workers union.

    Their popularity was so spread that they had to introduce the anti communist campaign of senator McCarthy which took many communists to prisons, disposed of their properties , and the loss of their jobs and profession

    it is the first time that a USA president takes a stand on socialism in general, because the prior attacks were on China, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba and the USSR, but never against the increase of people in the USA advocating for what they call socialism, despite of all that, it would give us the open opportunity to explain of what socialism is really about

    it is very sad that the WSPUS can not wear the boxing gloves to carry this fight at the present time

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    alanjjohnstone
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    #183476
    Anonymous
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    Many are saying that Guaido is a puppet of Donald Trump, in reality he is. a puppet of Leopoldo Lopez who has more presidential ambition than Guaido, and his political party is a member of the so called Socialist Inteernational , the same instution which is the main center of membership of many social democrats organizations that exist around the earth

    #191855
    Anonymous
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    What the hell is this ?

    It was just spam. Dealt with.

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