Was Jesus a Collaborator?

December 2024 Forums General discussion Was Jesus a Collaborator?

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  • #212124
    Anonymous
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    There is not any relationship between the New Testament ( greek scripture ) and the primitive Christians, it was mythology taken from the Egyptians, the new testament came about 120 years later. There is a book published in Spain known as Jesus 300 years before christ which explains that historical phenomenon, it is a well-made investigation. The Bible mentions the word slavery so frequently because it came from a slavery mode of production

    #212125
    Anonymous
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    Well you see, Movimiento, I can be an historical materialist without being a dogmatist who regards Marx and Engels as Holy Scripture. I read other books and learn what is to be learned about history without being bound by idolatry.

    Plus, I never see any awareness of humour in your posts, but a readiness to accuse disputants of not being historical materialists because they are not dogmatists, but fluid, and open to new perspectives. The MCH is not a straitjacket.

    #212127
    PartisanZ
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    Personally, Alan’s original bit of festive fun has turned into a New Year pain in the ass, with apparent ‘notions of upperosity’ (O’Casey) popping out all over the place.

    So quit popping at each other comrades.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by PartisanZ.
    #212129
    Anonymous
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    Just pointing out that history is a flowing river, not a series of framed pictures.

    #212130
    Anonymous
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    If Christianity’s origins were not Jewish, then why are all its references Jewish? Why would Roman state imposture situate its later official Christian story in Palestine?

    #212131
    PartisanZ
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    It is not wnat you point out, but how you point out. No one here regards Marx and Engels as scripture, holy or otherwise.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by PartisanZ.
    #212133
    L.B. Neill
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    “Just pointing out that history is a flowing river, not a series of framed pictures.”

    And that is an interesting metaphor for the Christian movement reaching to “all nations”. It is more a world meta national and melding with cultural difference and many historical epochs, producing this flowing river of history and thought. Origins in Palestine. Old Testament (Jewish) and New Testament (Christian) can’t be rewritten as New Roman- any talk or text in Christianity is coupled with talk and text in Judaism. Today. The historical centre in Rome is a historical development as the movement developed, but by no means its only centre.

    Hope I said that without a pop and ‘upperosity’ but more a moder-osity

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    #212135
    PartisanZ
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    Hope I said that without a pop and ‘upperosity’ but more a moder-osity.

    ..and peace come dropping low (One hopes) 🙂

    #212136
    Anonymous
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    Exactly, L.B. Neill.

    Not even in state-sanctioned Nicaean Christian history did the popes of Rome have any power over the Eastern bishops, not even after the papacy had developed enough to try to demand it. The pope was told to behave, and, when Leo IX sent his Cardinal Humbert to Constantinople with a Bull of Excommunication, the Eastern bishops simply excommunicated the pope and the West with a “no skin off our noses” sneer.

    #212137
    L.B. Neill
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    ‘t was all quiet- not a mouse stirring. The peace before the clobber 🙂

    #212138
    Anonymous
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    Ego te absolvo. 😀

    #212139
    Anonymous
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    Engels also said:

    “..in barely sixty years socialism has won itself a position which makes its victory absolutely certain.”

    #212140
    L.B. Neill
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    Absolution! Happens with a change of heart… but on timing and socialism… there is a lot of work yet… Engels may have had little access to modern modelling methods and projections but time and numbers are conflating… slow and steady ‘flow of history’ to come.

    #212143
    rodshaw
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    “..in barely sixty years socialism has won itself a position which makes its victory absolutely certain.”

    Try telling the young ones that today, they’ll not believe you.

    #212144
    Anonymous
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    Socialism and Religion


    Religión and socialism How can we defend the socialist case when we do not know its particular case ? It is not Christianity it is Paulism what most people have known

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