Utopian socialism

[PJShannon]

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[Anonymous]

This might be LBird's favourite little horse, and he is going to blame it on F. Engels

[nickwalter]

Interesting. I do agree with the necessary reformation of today's society. However I do not think any form of group or cult I like to call it is going to stop the whole idea of "profiting." whether it be capitalism or communism or any other.. With the mentality we humans share today, there is no chance that it is going to be any different had it been this utopian socialism that comes into reality. In order for us to change and move forward and away from the mindset of profitability. we simply must educate and enlighten ourselves to foresee the wrong deeds and the selfish and cruel instant gratification. We then can call for a unification and build an egalitarian society where there is no rulers but powerless leaders.

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[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

nickwalter wrote:

Interesting. I do agree with the necessary reformation of today's society. However I do not think any form of group or cult I like to call it is going to stop the whole idea of "profiting." whether it be capitalism or communism or any other.. With the mentality we humans share today, there is no chance that it is going to be any different had it been this utopian socialism that comes into reality. In order for us to change and move forward and away from the mindset of profitability. we simply must educate and enlighten ourselves to foresee the wrong deeds and the selfish and cruel instant gratification.  We then can call for a unification and build an egalitarian society where there is no rulers but powerless leaders.

We do not propose reformation but revolution.We do not need any leaders either.We do not propose some small group or cult attempting to stop profit, but rather insist that this has to be the politically conscious activity and actions of the  immense majority, to establish an advanced, post-capitalist, commonly owned, production for use society, with free access to its products, a development in which the immense majority after capturing political power, have abolished the wages system and ended the production of commodities (for sale at a profit for a minority social class), to utilise the technological and informational capabilities captured from developed capitalism to proceed to the production of utilites (for use of everyone).Your weak argument against this, is simply a variation of a religious, 'human nature' and  moral, argument which makes a virtue out of relative poverty and attributing its existence to 'selfish and cruel instant gratification', without considering the nature of the social system, with minority class rule and control and ownership of the means of wealth production and distribution, which rewards such acquisitive behaviour, establishing accumulation as the raison d'etre , and within which society, exclusion of the immense majority from access to the accumulative wealth generated by the immense majority, reproduces the relative and absolutes of poverty, ad infinitum. Furthermore do not opportunistically use our forum to advertise your carpet cleaning business, in breach of our rules, while advancing 'crumby' arguments, which sweep under the carpet the real causes for poverty , relative and absolute, rather than addressing the need to sweep away the elite parasitic social class whose continued existence perpetuates them.

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