Tory Legislation on ‘Extremism’
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"This new peice of legislation being proposed by the new Tory government – aimed at combatting "extremism" seems very sinister"
Said someone on Facebook.
Got me thinking that it could at least theoretically apply to us.
Premises shut down, gagging orders etc.
A reform that should be opposed?
Our attitude towards groups and people campaigning against it?
They discussed this on reddit herehttp://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/35u9wd/could_the_conservative_partys_antiextremism_bill/
Thanks for the link: "The Conservatives are putting forward a new anti-extremism bill, previously blocked under the last Government by the LibDems. They've discussed banning groups that oppose the vague idea of 'British values'. In my mind, Communism and Socialism and Anarchism don't fit what the Tories consider these ideas to be. Could we see the end of far-left parties under this bill? What can we do about it?" Could the Conservative Party's anti-extremism Bill ban Socialist parties in the UK?An article on the guardian website quotes Cameron as saying "The definition of harmful is to include a risk of public disorder, a risk of harassment, alarm or distress or creating a “threat to the functioning of democracy"".“threat to the functioning of democracy" that could cover your Revolutionary Socialist and Anarchist Groups"public disorder" this could include unions and small parties on the left and right call for strikes and protests
Just think what governments would be trying if the world socialist movement were bigger, a small but significant minority, say 3 or 4 percent of the population. I had always thought that would be the time to fear clampdowns, but it could be happening much sooner.On their own, Cameron and his cronies could turn out to be particularly nasty, but there you are, workers, you get what you vote for.They have been on the news saying they want to appeal more to the average working person. Then in an amazing feat of doublespeak, in the same news programme, they announce they want to introduce measures to limit the right to strike.Coupled with their stance on extremism and their desire to abolish the Human Rights Act for something more 'British', they are certainly hitting the ground running.
This is actually the weakess goverment we have had since the late 1970s so it will be interesting so see how successful they are in pushing any legislation through…
I would think that this is of more immediate and realistic concern for the working class:https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-bf5d-The-most-vicious-assault-on-basic-labour-rights-anywhere-in-the-West#.VVhMi1KebTQAnd the Tories dare to call themselves "The Workers Party" (mind you Labour dare to call themselves "The Labour Party").
I was thinking more of an attack on the SPGB and our premises and other 'socialist' parties. Are they are threatening to close us down?The suggested legislation could certainly apply 'extemist' to us. We challenge capitalist democracy and their control.And it could be said we stir unrest etc.
The specific counter-extremism proposals are
Quote:The new legislation is expected to include:introducing Banning Orders for extremist organisations who seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places, but fall short of proscriptionnew Extremism Disruption Orders to restrict people who seek to radicalise young peoplepowers to close premises where extremists seek to influence othersstrengthening the powers of the Charity Commission to root out charities who misappropriate funds towards extremism and terrorismfurther immigration restrictions on extremistsa strengthened role for Ofcom to take action against channels which broadcast extremist contentfrom herehttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/counter-extremism-bill-national-security-council-meeting
DJP wrote:Vin wrote:Are they are threatening to close us down?No
Why do you believe that?
Quote:The new legislation is expected to include:introducing Banning Orders for extremist organisations who seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places, but fall short of proscriptionnew Extremism Disruption Orders to restrict people who seek to radicalise young peoplepowers to close premises where extremists seek to influence othersYou don't think this could be applied to us?
Vin wrote:Quote:The new legislation is expected to include:introducing Banning Orders for extremist organisations who seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places, but fall short of proscriptionnew Extremism Disruption Orders to restrict people who seek to radicalise young peoplepowers to close premises where extremists seek to influence othersYou don't think this could be applied to us?
No, if only because we do not "seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places". Quite the opposite in fact. It should be fairly obvious the sort of organisations that these measures would be used against.
gnome wrote:No, if only because we do not "seek to undermine democracy or use hate speech in public places". Quite the opposite in fact. It should be fairly obvious the sort of organisations that these measures would be used against.Reference to a 'parasitic minority' could be used as 'hate speech'Revolution undermines capitalist democracy.It is not unknown for governments to use anti-terrorist/extremist laws against 'legitimate opposition'.
"Reference to a 'parasitic minority' could be used as 'hate speech'"Surely 'reference to a parasitic minority' would be simply a statement of fact?
J Surman wrote:"Reference to a 'parasitic minority' could be used as 'hate speech'"Surely 'reference to a parasitic minority' would be simply a statement of fact?I agree, and I use it often, but in relation to the legislation it may be interpreted as 'hate language'We are trying to turn one class against another.
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