The Tudor revolution
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October 7, 2020 at 6:52 pm #207876WezParticipant
TM , no that had been achieved in 1645 as James II’s failure clearly demonstrates.
October 7, 2020 at 6:54 pm #207877AnonymousInactiveYou can be a capitalist without being a bourgeois and vice versa.
The Emperor of Japan is a capitalist, but not a bourgeois.
Robespierre was a bourgeois but not a capitalist.
October 7, 2020 at 6:54 pm #207878AnonymousInactiveAnd nowadays they want to replace the word elite for capitalist and bourgeoise, the elite is the capitalist or bourgeoise class
October 7, 2020 at 6:57 pm #207879WezParticipantExactly Marcos – TM is resorting to semantics.
October 7, 2020 at 6:57 pm #207880AnonymousInactiveYou can be a capitalist without being a bourgeois and vice versa.
The Emperor of Japan is a capitalist, but not a bourgeois.
Robespierre was a bourgeois but not a capitalist.
This is Gumbo soup. As I said before, the class struggle is being placed on the rug or the carpet. The historian Howard Zinn said that in the USA the class struggle has been wiped out from the book of history, it is a fantasy based on personalities and heroes
October 7, 2020 at 7:11 pm #207884AnonymousInactivebourgeois n. from burgher n. townsman.
bourgeoisie n. term adopted by Marxists to refer to the merchant/capitalist class, due to the merchant class’ largely urban origins.
But unless all townsmen are capitalists, it is best to specify today.
The term bourgeois would literally exclude capitalist farming etc., and exclude aristocratic capitalists.
October 7, 2020 at 7:16 pm #207885AnonymousInactiveThe World socialist party of Canada has an article which shows that even dictionaries make mistake when they have wrongly defined socialism. Bourgeoise is the capitalist class in the French language, and Proletarian comes from the Roman world. Marx and Engels borrowed terms from different places and a different situation like the expression class struggles came from the capitalist/bourgeoisie class, and the expression dictatorship came from the Roman legal system. Since they spoke several languages they also used expression in different languages, the original Ethnological notebooks before being compiled by Krader they had expressions in different languages
October 7, 2020 at 7:24 pm #207887AnonymousInactiveIn France where the term was in regular use at the time of the Revolution, a bourgeois would be any townsman of comfortable means. He would be of the professions (lawyer, doctor), or he may be a capitalist (owner of a workshop). The word was also applied to the haute bourgeoisie who were married into the aristocracy.
October 7, 2020 at 7:28 pm #207888AnonymousInactiveMany of the haute bourgeoisie joined the emigre aristocracy, returning to France after the Revolution and the downfall of the bourgeois Jacobins. It is the haute bourgeoisie who won.
October 7, 2020 at 7:29 pm #207889AnonymousInactiveActually, a bourgeoise is a female bourgeois, Marcos.
October 7, 2020 at 7:39 pm #207891AnonymousInactiveTM
You are getting lost in semantic, or what they call looking for the five legs of the cat, nobody has found it yet. Bourgeoise ( male or female ) capitalists, elite they are, all the same, this is a society divided into two classes, I live the rest for the sociologists who have found around 25 social classes
October 7, 2020 at 7:44 pm #207892AnonymousInactiveI call it dogmatism silencing history that is inconvenient and contradicts a preconceived blueprint.
October 7, 2020 at 7:47 pm #207894AnonymousInactiveSo now, Marxism is called dogmatism in the Socialist Party, it is really moving forward
October 7, 2020 at 8:00 pm #207895AnonymousInactiveI do not deny the class struggle. There is a class struggle between capitalist and worker.
There was a class struggle in the Middle Age between merchant class and feudal nobility.
But get the chronology right!
October 7, 2020 at 8:17 pm #207896AnonymousInactiveThe chronology is that the working class is the one who moves history forward, and the working has existed since the time of classical slavery and it was the one who overthrew classical slavery and the one who overthrew feudalism, and the one who is going to overthrow capitalism, therefore since the emerge of the class society history has been the struggle of two classes
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