The Tudor revolution

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  • #207876
    Wez
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    TM , no that had been achieved in 1645 as James II’s failure clearly demonstrates.

     

    #207877
    Anonymous
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    You can be a capitalist without being a bourgeois and vice versa.

    The Emperor of Japan is a capitalist, but not a bourgeois.

    Robespierre was a bourgeois but not a capitalist.

    #207878
    Anonymous
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    And nowadays they want to replace the word elite for capitalist and bourgeoise, the elite is the capitalist or bourgeoise class

    #207879
    Wez
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    Exactly Marcos – TM is resorting to semantics.

    #207880
    Anonymous
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    You can be a capitalist without being a bourgeois and vice versa.

    The Emperor of Japan is a capitalist, but not a bourgeois.

    Robespierre was a bourgeois but not a capitalist.

     

    This is Gumbo soup. As I said before, the class struggle is being placed on the rug or the carpet. The historian Howard Zinn said that in the USA the class struggle has been wiped out from the book of history, it is a fantasy  based on personalities and heroes

    #207884
    Anonymous
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    bourgeois n. from burgher n. townsman.

    bourgeoisie n. term adopted by Marxists to refer to the merchant/capitalist class, due to the merchant class’ largely urban origins.

    But unless all townsmen are capitalists, it is best to specify today.

    The term bourgeois would literally exclude capitalist farming etc., and exclude aristocratic capitalists.

    #207885
    Anonymous
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    The World socialist party of Canada has an article which shows that even dictionaries make mistake when they have wrongly defined socialism. Bourgeoise is the capitalist class in the French language, and Proletarian comes from the Roman world. Marx and Engels borrowed terms from different places and a different situation like the expression class struggles came from the capitalist/bourgeoisie class, and the expression dictatorship came from the Roman legal system. Since they spoke several languages they also used expression in different languages, the original Ethnological notebooks before being  compiled by Krader  they had expressions in different languages

    #207887
    Anonymous
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    In France where the term was in regular use at the time of the Revolution, a bourgeois would be any townsman of comfortable means. He would be of the professions (lawyer, doctor), or he may be a capitalist (owner of a workshop). The word was also applied to the haute bourgeoisie who were married into the aristocracy.

    #207888
    Anonymous
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    Many of the haute bourgeoisie joined the emigre aristocracy, returning to France after the Revolution and the downfall of the bourgeois Jacobins. It is the haute bourgeoisie who won.

    #207889
    Anonymous
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    Actually, a bourgeoise is a female bourgeois, Marcos.

    #207891
    Anonymous
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    TM

    You are getting lost in semantic, or what they call looking for the five legs of the cat, nobody has found it yet. Bourgeoise ( male or female ) capitalists, elite they are, all the same, this is a society divided into two classes, I live the rest for the sociologists who have found around 25 social classes

    #207892
    Anonymous
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    I call it dogmatism silencing history that is inconvenient and contradicts a preconceived blueprint.

    #207894
    Anonymous
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    So now, Marxism is called dogmatism in the Socialist Party, it is really moving forward

    #207895
    Anonymous
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    I do not deny the class struggle. There is a class struggle between capitalist and worker.

    There was a class struggle in the Middle Age between merchant class and feudal nobility.

    But get the chronology right!

    #207896
    Anonymous
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    The chronology is that the working class is the one who moves history forward, and the working has existed since the time of classical slavery and it was the one who overthrew classical  slavery and the one who overthrew feudalism, and the one who is going to overthrow capitalism, therefore since the emerge of the class society history has been the struggle of two classes

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