The Tudor revolution
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The working class did not exist at the time we are speaking of. You have neglected the massive trauma that produced us: the enclosures.
The Reformation was the infliction of misery on our ancestors, the peasantry.
Exactly, Robbo. But Wez is not denying that, only opposing gradualism in the place of political revolution. My point is, why seize power when it falls into your hands without a fight?
Yes, I think the term gradualism can give rise to misunderstanding. It has been used for example to describe a process by which a capitalist society might be transformed into a socialist society (or at any rate a society administered in the interest of workers) without the need for a conscious political revolution. Obviously I dont hold that view but I do believe in the idea of a gradual incremental change as a precondition of a political revolution
As far as a capitalist revolution is concerned this change may require a political revolution to sweep away the old order but sometimes not – sometimes as you hint the old order might simply implode from within or crumble away, and offer no resistance. Sometimes the new order may be imposed externally as is the case with colonialism
As far as a socialist revolution is concerned this obviously has to be predicated on the gradual development of a mass socialist movement. Unlike with capitalist revolutions, though I think this necessarily has to involve a political revolution in the sense of a concerted attempt to capture political power in order to get rid of material basis of political power itself
- The Working class has existed since the emerge of the class society. So according to your point of you view the majority of the peoples were scratching their balls and doing nothing and the ruling class was doing everything. How did you answer the questions of the socialist party ? It is a clear indication that you have not read the communist manifesto
Mary had massive support from the peasantry. It was the dissolution of the monasteries, the vagrancy laws, the enclosures and the imposition of the Established Henrician Church that hurt them. They had no kinship with the protestantism of the theologians of London and knew the likes of Cranmer and Thomas Cromwell as the stooges of tyranny.
By ignoring the massive tragedy of the Henrician revolution you do a disservice to the peasantry. The Enclosures produced the masses of dispossessed who became the proletariat.
Yes, I have read Mao, the butcher and enemy of the working class.
Mao and his cronies rode on the back of the peasants’ desperation and exploited it to be carried to power.
That is not the answer it sound like the black book of communism Mao works is.composed of 5 volumes that I have read and it shows the history of the Chinese peasants including the 1911 revolution one of the works of Stalin shows that he knew the real conception of socialism are we going to reject that book ?
That is not the answer that we are looking for I don’t think you have read the works of Mao Lenin Stalin We are talking about historical reference and not talking about copy and paste
There were several peasant rebellions against enclosures. They weren’t “scratching their balls.” Hundreds were dying, being branded and mutilated, starving, hanged. And they knew their enemy: the Cranmers and the Cromwells.
Marcos the Bolshevik?
Mao knew how to force frightened boys into the horror of Korea. He knew how to regiment workers nightmarishly, their every waking moment surveilled. Their very thoughts punished.
I read all Mao’s books and Stalin’s at the age of 15. But i’ve grown up since.
The Bolsheviks were the members of the social Democratic Party of Russia similar to a split , and then they became Leninists within the communist party of Russia and then there were several ramifications and within the ramifications there were tendencies
Karl Marx studied David Ricardo and he was a bourgeoise economists and capital became one of his matured works and he studied Hegel who was a bourgeoise idealist philosopher I have read the Bible in five different versions and I am an atheist
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