The Prison Industry in the USA: Big business, or a new form of slavery ?

[Anonymous]

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/02/25/pers-f25.htmlThis articles written by a Trotskyist newspaper shows that the epidemic of drugs in the USA is not produced by the so-called Mexican drug dealers, it is a product of the socio-economical conditions and the conditions that the workers are living at the present time.This analysis sounds much better than the scapegoat of blaming the economical problems in somebody else. It shows that the highest consumption of drugs is not effected within the blacks or the Hispanic population. There are some legalized drugs dealers as the Pharmaceutical that are also producing a large epidemic of drugs in the population

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[Anonymous]

moderator1 wrote:

Reminder: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’).

I was just correcting some errors that I had in prior messages, they were written too fast,  and without double checking them, and I have more free time on weekend

[Capitalist Pig]

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

that has to be the stupidest thing i've ever read. o

Which one ?

if you support the U.S. government then you are a felon, Which translates to if you are a nationalist then you are no better than a rapist, muderer, druglord. Very offensive

[Anonymous]

Capitalist Pig wrote:

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

that has to be the stupidest thing i've ever read. o

Which one?

if you support the U.S. government then you are a felon, Which translates to if you are a nationalist then you are no better than a rapist, muderer, druglord. Very offensive

Do not come to tricks with me, and do not insert words or expression that I have not said. This is what i said: "If you support the USA government, you are supporting the biggest felon that exists around the world"Your translator is not working properly,  because you do not have to be a nationalist in order to support any kind of government, and also you do not have any country either There are peoples living in one country,  and they support another country because they sympathize with their decision. How offensive would feel the Mexicans and other people  that you have called rapist, murderer and druglord ?  I  repeat again, if you do not know the national and international history of the USA, I suggest to do some serious studying , by reading some serious historical sources such as: Francis Jennings, Howard Zinn,  and several others serious historian. I am talking about story teller

[Anonymous]

The use of prisons to produce profits is nothing new in the USA. It was done in Arkansas by the sale of Plasma from the inmates. There is a report made by a journalist and a movie, tying  Bill Clinton in this scandal. Knowing that the blood was contaminated with AIDS and Hepatitis it was sold , and it infected thousands of peoples around the worldhttp://www.wnd.com/2005/10/33137/

[alanjjohnstone]

Let us not forget the wide use of the chain-gang when mainly african americans were used to build the South's infrastructure and were also hired out to the white farmers to provide the State or prison with an income.Today many industries still rely on prison work but are simply using the precendents from the past. 

[Anonymous]

Capitalist Pig wrote:

if you support the U.S. government then you are a felon, Which translates to if you are a nationalist then you are no better than a rapist, muderer, druglord. Very offensive

 Your own conscience has to decide that. For me, my conscience is clear. As a member of the World Socialist Movement I oppose all the parties that run capitalism and carry out the wars.  The WSM exists to overthrow the rule of these murderous felons and gangsters through  democratic means.As for your own position,  you could, like  Pontius Pilate, wash your hands of the whole affair but you don't even do that.Judge for yourself    

[Capitalist Pig]

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

that has to be the stupidest thing i've ever read. o

Which one?

if you support the U.S. government then you are a felon, Which translates to if you are a nationalist then you are no better than a rapist, muderer, druglord. Very offensive

Do not come to tricks with me, and do not insert words or expression that I have not said. This is what i said: "If you support the USA government, you are supporting the biggest felon that exists around the world"Your translator is not working properly,  because you do not have to be a nationalist in order to support any kind of government, and also you do not have any country either There are peoples living in one country,  and they support another country because they sympathize with their decision. How offensive would feel the Mexicans and other people  that you have called rapist, murderer and druglord ?  I  repeat again, if you do not know the national and international history of the USA, I suggest to do some serious studying , by reading some serious historical sources such as: Francis Jennings, Howard Zinn,  and several others serious historian. I am talking about story teller

nationality does not matter if you are a criminal. I didn't say all mexicans are felons, as you know but what you said is probably why more people aren't in your party.

[alanjjohnstone]

Quote:

nationality does not matter if you are a criminal.

CP, would you agree that class very much does matter if you are a criminal?.Did we not see too big to fail, too big to jail response to bank and corporate CEO's who have been complicit in fraud conspiracies and money laundering?Isn't it "innocent" stock-holders and the company's lower-level staff taking the hit when the company pays no-blame compensation to the government and the CEO's escaping scot-free from their actions or negligence?

[Anonymous]

alanjjohnstone wrote:

Quote:

nationality does not matter if you are a criminal.

CP, would you agree that class very much does matter if you are a criminal?.Did we not see too big to fail, too big to jail response to bank and corporate CEO's who have been complicit in fraud conspiracies and money laundering?Isn't it "innocent" stock-holders and the company's lower-level staff taking the hit when the company pays no-blame compensation to the government and the CEO's escaping scot-free from their actions or negligence?

The CEO of Enron corporation received a sentence smaller than Al Capone, and he was  convicted of tax evasion, the same thing that was done by Richard Nixon, One of the individuals involved was also a State Governor, and he is enjoying his millions.Most commercial bank CEO cheated millions of peoples, and the corporation received a small fine, and none of the individuals were sentenced for jail time.Money laundering has been done by commercial banks for many years, and they continue doing, and none of their CEO have never received any jail sentence, and El Chapo is one of the best customers.Noriega and Poppy Bush were partners in crime while he was president of the USA, and he ordered a criminal invasion that killed thousands of Panamanian. Noriega was a "Chivato"  and employee of the CIA when he was a drug dealer.Patriotism is back in the saddle. Immigrants are the Enemy of the Month Club. it is only an economical distraction to keep workers focussed on the wrong target, which is the economical system itself, the problem of human beings take place at the point of production. It was the same tactic used by the German Nazis during the great depression and during the great economical crisis of GermanyThe US government can deport and place in jail or the undocumented workers and the same problems will continue. The farmers are looking for more new undocumented workers, they can not survive without them, capitalism needs the army of unemployed and low wages slaves.

[alanjjohnstone]

This is an interesting development. Detained immigrants are suing for-profit private prison operator GEO for forced labour and breaking minimum wage laws. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/05/thousands-of-ice-detainees-claim-they-were-forced-into-labor-a-violation-of-anti-slavery-laws/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.b101a06b78bbDetainees work for up to eight hours a day, 40 hours a week, cleaning bathrooms, showers, toilets, windows, patient rooms and staff offices, waxing floors, and preparing and serving meals, for a dollar a day. 

[Anonymous]

alanjjohnstone wrote:

This is an interesting development. Detained immigrants are suing for-profit private prison operator GEO for forced labour and breaking minimum wage laws. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/05/thousands-of-ice-detainees-claim-they-were-forced-into-labor-a-violation-of-anti-slavery-laws/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.b101a06b78bbDetainees work for up to eight hours a day, 40 hours a week, cleaning bathrooms, showers, toilets, windows, patient rooms and staff offices, waxing floors, and preparing and serving meals, for a dollar a day. 

They have not included child slavery

[Anonymous]

Capitalist Pig wrote:

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

that has to be the stupidest thing i've ever read. o

Which one?

if you support the U.S. government then you are a felon, Which translates to if you are a nationalist then you are no better than a rapist, muderer, druglord. Very offensive

Do not come to tricks with me, and do not insert words or expression that I have not said. This is what i said: "If you support the USA government, you are supporting the biggest felon that exists around the world"Your translator is not working properly,  because you do not have to be a nationalist in order to support any kind of government, and also you do not have any country either There are peoples living in one country,  and they support another country because they sympathize with their decision. How offensive would feel the Mexicans and other people  that you have called rapist, murderer and druglord ?  I  repeat again, if you do not know the national and international history of the USA, I suggest to do some serious studying , by reading some serious historical sources such as: Francis Jennings, Howard Zinn,  and several others serious historian. I am talking about story teller

nationality does not matter if you are a criminal. I didn't say all mexicans are felons, as you know but what you said is probably why more people aren't in your party.

 That is not the real reason why we do not have too many workers on the WSM ( the SPGB is only a companion party ) The concrete reason is,  because most workers like you are supporting capitalism, a poison known as nationalism and patriotism,  leaders and bandits of capitalism. Simple as that In order to understand this society known as capitalism, we mut break away ideologically from it, it is like formatting a hard drive and inserting new ideas inside our brain, repeating the same crap propagated by the bourgoise we will never learn anything new.In the time of economical crisis capitalism will always blame their own problems on the workers, and the main target at the present time are the Mexican workers, to do that they need an ideological excuse, it has been done several times in different places, and it was also done in Germany

[Anonymous]

alanjjohnstone wrote:

This is an interesting development. Detained immigrants are suing for-profit private prison operator GEO for forced labour and breaking minimum wage laws. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/05/thousands-of-ice-detainees-claim-they-were-forced-into-labor-a-violation-of-anti-slavery-laws/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.b101a06b78bbDetainees work for up to eight hours a day, 40 hours a week, cleaning bathrooms, showers, toilets, windows, patient rooms and staff offices, waxing floors, and preparing and serving meals, for a dollar a day. 

 Another interesting development is that some statistic have shown that there are around 1.5 millions undocumented USA citizens living in Mexico, and most of them are staying there because their retirement pension is not enough to afford the high cost of living in the USA. Do they have a country ?  There are around 2.3  millions Americans ( from the USA ) living in Mexico

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