The Prison Industry in the USA: Big business, or a new form of slavery ?

[Anonymous]

Billionaires and a millitary junta with past war criminals records and massacres . The ministers assigned to those posts were blindly approved by a bunch of bandits and vagabonds known asCongressmen and all of them are against the main objectives of the depts that they are going to be running

[Anonymous]

The person assigned to the labor dept is an anti-workers Does any worker expect  that a rich person is going to defend his or her own interests? Only workers with a very low political education would believe thatBen Carson is what Franz Fannon will call the colonial mentality A medical doctor who is against the poor or against his own social origin with backward and recalcitrant ideas who has said that Welfare is a Marxist conception. Instead of a capitalist reform to pacify the workers rebellionsMost of those guys they are just a re-run of Ronald Reagan and the super-CIA agent known as John Paul II. And a gang of reactionary evangelicals who are not evangelicals. The Pope is correct when he said that an atheist is much than a christian with double life

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Capitalist Pig wrote:

 You may have empathy for people who come into my country and make a living from killing people with drugs like heroine but I don't. 

 Do you sympathise with the USA Government while it murders thousands of families and destroys their land  for oil, heroin and its other selfish material interests? While it ignores the millions of homeless children living within its own borders.? We we don't!The capitalist has killed many more people than 'gangsters' and criminals. Why do you not call for their imprisonment or deportation|?

[Anonymous]

It is not 'his' country anyway.

[Anonymous]

Matt wrote:

It is not 'his' country anyway.

Any group of individuals who do not even own a small lot in a cemetery do not have any countryThe Indians who were the first enemies have been fighting against terrorism since 1492 and all their lands were stolen from them The historian Francis Jennings on his books Colonialism and The Founders of America cover that historical period

[Anonymous]

It's ironic that Capitalist Pig should speak disparagingly of criminals as a class, sneering at their moral turpitude in that rather aggressive and superior manner. Those I associated with seemed in no way morally inferior to the rest of the population, though it could be argued they were slightly below the average intelligence, as was shown by their having been caught ( it was sheer bad luck me being copped ). What was startling were their views on politics and society which were, shall we say, less than enlightened.  So it might reassure CP to learn that all criminals are conservative, though not tautologically so, since not all conservatives, less than a majority, perhaps, are criminals. And my point is: CP could walk straight into a social gathering of these murderous gentlemen, and no questions asked.

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mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

alanjjohnstone wrote:

I don't want to place words into Mcolomes mouth but he is probay referring to the for profit detention centers used to house undocumented migrants. ICE are required to detain 34,000…a captivemarket (pun intended) for the private prison industry whose shares rose because of the election of Trump. There is little need for detention.Nine of the ten largest ICE detention centers are private and stricter the enforcement of immigration law, the better these businesses benefit.Private prisons hold about 8 percent of the country’s inmate population. On the other hand, private prisons and county jails hold 90 percent of immigration detainees. Even in facilities owned by ICE, many of the operations are carried out by personnel contracted from private companies .Carl Takei, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Prison Project, said while investors stand to profit, they shouldn’t lose sight of what he calls the moral issues wrapped up with the private prison industry. “No matter what they say about being a government services company or providing valuable services to government agencies, this is a business model that doesn’t need to exist,” Takei said. “It represents the outsourcing of an essential government function to for-profit companies that have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, but not to the the public.”  “The contracts make it clear that this is about commodifying human beings,” the ACLU’s Takei said. “The government specifies they will deliver a certain number of units to the private prisons. The units in this context are human beings.” You want to define them as felons and criminals but Trump ordered ICE to prioritize deporting not only immigrants who been convicted or charged with crimes, but also those who had "committed acts that constitute a chargeable offense"—a category that could include entering the country illegally and driving without a license. 

I get that private prisons are basically slave pens but I don't understand why anyone would defend drug-dealers,rapists, or murderers and advocate not enforcing the law against these people.

 Mcolome1 wrote: In the same way that I do not understand why millions of peoples will defend invaders that have killed millions of peoples around the world, and presidents that have made  drug alliances with major drug dealers such as Pablo Escobar, and  presidents that never were not  taken to jail, compare with  Ronald Reagan, el Chapo is a retailer,  Banks which their main depositors and customers are drugs dealers, and a goverment that supportd  coup d'tats,  and have overthrown elected presidents, and have installed dictators, and presidents that  make alliances with terrorists,  approve the killing of peoples like a head hunter,Corporations that steal and rob the natural resources of others nations, and for that, they have killed millions of peoples, using the gunboat diplomacy.The problems is to  criminalize a whole population, to defend the criminalized  acts of a small group of peoples, and some parrots will repeat the same arguments of the ruling elite.Corporations that run a ring of child prostitution, senators that use the same ring  of prostitution in order to have sex with ittle girls, and peoples vote for them.Presidents who have used invasion in order to increase the traffic of drugs to produce profits for individuals dealers and corporations.One of the oldest drug dealer was a lawyer known as Benjamin Franklin who represented  the corporation the were dealing with opium thru England and China, and the commodity was called tea

 The Historian Juan Bosh wrote ( From Christopher Colombus to Fidel Castro )  that three things were travelling always together in the European ships along  with the so called conquerors:  African slaves, the Priest or the Pastor and Opium, which produced more profits than tea, and it was used to penetrate in China. Drug dealing is not a business of the poor peoples, it is a business of the rich peoples. Like Pepsi Cola made all its fortunes importing coca leave from Bolivia, and now some goverment want to prohibit the planting of coca in Bolivia, the natives have been planting coca for thousands of years . The slogan is: I can have, but you can not have it http://www.maritimeheritage.org/news/opium.html

[Anonymous]

There are more undocumented workers entering to the USA from Canada than from Mexico, There are more Mexican returning to Mexico than moving to the USA. It is just a lie created to take power and be elected. The funny issue is that millions of human beings blindly believe in that bullshit.The politician in order to be elected they do not mention that one of the biggest traffic of drugs and cocaine is thru the seaports and airports of the USA, and drugs passed in front of the noses of the Federal agents. In the Caribbean, peoples are saying that DEA ( Drug Enforcement Agency ) and drugs dealers are partners in crimes. Agosto escaped two times from Federal prison and lived for 10 years financing corporations, bribery to military, government officials, and famous politicians, they are moving from the drug business into pornographyThe so-called war on drugs in Colombia is the war to produce more drugs, or the elimination of competitors to continue the traffic of drugs and the sales of the military weapon. The new peace agreement between FARC and the Colombian government will bring a new shift in regard to the cocaine traffick, and mining controlled by the FARC. It is just capitalist profit. The ex-president of Colombia known as Uribe was an allied of the USA government and he is involved in the drug business and his family too, and there is an extradition process pending for some members of his family including his mother.Noriega a famous drug dealer from Panama was also an allied of the government of the USA, and the invasion was part of the cover-up of that alliance, and to take control of the "Canal de Panama" , he was trained as an assassin at the Schools of the Americas, the same institution that trained Johnny Abbes the head of  the center of tortures known as La Cuarenta. Panama was part of Colombia and it was stolen by the USA in 1903. Let's define felony and felonsIn this thread, it has been  mentioned that poor  Mexicans introduce heroine in the USA, but statistic show than more than 90% of the world  Heroin is produced in Afghanistan and after the invasion the production increased to more than 300%. Methadone is produced by private corporation and it produces billions of dollars in profits. Who are the real drug dealers ? Whoever does not know the mechanism of operation of capitalism will tend to believe anything coming out from the mouth of the politicians. Before accusing  the poor workers of drug traffick,  first, we must look back to the long tail of the alligator

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Capitalist Pig wrote:

sorry mcolome i just can't take you seriously anymore because of what you said

I know, any beginning is difficult to be understood, and anything that is new to our ears sounds discordant. History does not have one version, we have the version of the capitalist class, and we have the version of the materialist conception of history, and history has not been made by leaders. You have not said what I have said yet, or what is not seriousYou are throwing the towel because you do not have any valid argumentations to respond to various social knockout. We are still waiting  for your definition of felony, and felons,  and how it can be applied, let's say to an agriculture worker that is producing enough wealth and profits for a bunch of thieves known as capitalists and living in extreme poverty,  we are still waiting to indicate why in this society we have legal crimes approved by the Legal system . You have not provided any solid analysis yet to prove that immigrants are criminals, thieves, drug dealers, and that they are stealing your job and that you have a country. We have proven all the opposite.This is the Socialist Party or the World Socialist Movement, and we have been throwing punches in defense of the world working class for more than 100 years, we have not thrown the towel yet, and nobody has been able to knock us down, and we do not make alliance with our social class enemy. We do not reconcile interests like the capitalist parties, we stand firm on our principlesHow are we going to defend the attack perpetrated against the working class to favor the capitalists? It sounds illogical and irrational  We are not the Democratic Party, or the Republican Party, two political parties of poverty, and representative of the US ruling elite, anti-workers, reactionary and recalcitrant, divided into two political fronts, but their  aim are both the same, therefore, it is the dictatorship of a single political party. The definition of criminality can really be applied to them, and Al Capone, and Dillinger should become their presidential candidateshttp://www.ranker.com/list/list-of-famous-gangsters/reference.   All these famous citizens could have been their political candidates, and probably Adolf Hitler would have rejected the nomination.  They were part of an alliance made during WWII with Sicilians Mafioso in order to overthrow Mussolini. One thing is to study history and another thing is to read fairy tales

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Bob Andrews wrote:

It's ironic that Capitalist Pig should speak disparagingly of criminals as a class, sneering at their moral turpitude in that rather aggressive and superior manner. Those I associated with seemed in no way morally inferior to the rest of the population, though it could be argued they were slightly below the average intelligence, as was shown by their having been caught ( it was sheer bad luck me being copped ). What was startling were their views on politics and society which were, shall we say, less than enlightened.  So it might reassure CP to learn that all criminals are conservative, though not tautologically so, since not all conservatives, less than a majority, perhaps, are criminals. And my point is: CP could walk straight into a social gathering of these murderous gentlemen, and no questions asked.

Let's continue defining Felony,  Felons, Trespassing,  Trespassers,  and  walking thru the gathering of famously legalized criminals, or the hall of fame of criminals,  There are two famous heroes known as Oliver North and Collin Powell that are wanted in Nicaragua and Central America, due to their patriotic acts many children and peasants continue losing arms and legs in Nicaragua because of the mines that they spread in the territory.  Are they felons or patriots?The famous ex- Ambassador of Baghdad known as Negroponte is also a famous hero known in Central America when he was the head of the Condor operation and the Death Squad. The members of the gangs known as the Salvatrucha are Boys Scouts compared with him, now he is an honored University Professor.A saint known as Rumsfield ( he had several arrests warrants in Europe )  went to Central America and he asked to the presidents of those countries to disarm themselves, he was talking about old soviets weapons which they can not find  spare parts or screws to be fixed, he wanted them to have machetes and mochas, or to buy new weapons provided by the US weapons industry. These are not drugs dealers, these are weapon dealers

[Anonymous]

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

The 'new immigration measures' is just the federal government enforcing the law, particulary focusing on felons. I don't understand why you would have any sympathy for someone who immigrated illegally and commited a felony, its like spitting on your face while you welcome them in with open arms.

If you support the USA government, you are supporting the biggest felon that exists around the worldAlso, you forgot the real issue. Jails are run by corporations to produce profits, therefore, the more people they try to deport more profits they can make, and you are not making any penny in that type of business. It is just the slave defending his or her master

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mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

alanjjohnstone wrote:

I don't want to place words into Mcolomes mouth but he is probay referring to the for profit detention centers used to house undocumented migrants. ICE are required to detain 34,000…a captivemarket (pun intended) for the private prison industry whose shares rose because of the election of Trump. There is little need for detention.Nine of the ten largest ICE detention centers are private and stricter the enforcement of immigration law, the better these businesses benefit.Private prisons hold about 8 percent of the country’s inmate population. On the other hand, private prisons and county jails hold 90 percent of immigration detainees. Even in facilities owned by ICE, many of the operations are carried out by personnel contracted from private companies .Carl Takei, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Prison Project, said while investors stand to profit, they shouldn’t lose sight of what he calls the moral issues wrapped up with the private prison industry. “No matter what they say about being a government services company or providing valuable services to government agencies, this is a business model that doesn’t need to exist,” Takei said. “It represents the outsourcing of an essential government function to for-profit companies that have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, but not to the the public.”  “The contracts make it clear that this is about commodifying human beings,” the ACLU’s Takei said. “The government specifies they will deliver a certain number of units to the private prisons. The units in this context are human beings.” You want to define them as felons and criminals but Trump ordered ICE to prioritize deporting not only immigrants who been convicted or charged with crimes, but also those who had "committed acts that constitute a chargeable offense"—a category that could include entering the country illegally and driving without a license. 

I get that private prisons are basically slave pens but I don't understand why anyone would defend drug-dealers,rapists, or murderers and advocate not enforcing the law against these people.

In the same way that I do not understand why millions of peoples will defend invaders that have killed millions of peoples around the world, and presidents that have to make drug alliances with major drug dealers such as Pablo Escobar, and  presidents that never went t taken to jail, compare to Ronald Reagan, el Chapo is a retailer, and banks which their main depositor and customers are drugs dealers, and a government that produce coup d'tat and have overthrown elected presidents, and have installed dictators, and presidents that make alliances with terrorists,  approve the killing of peoples like a head hunter, corporations that steal and rob the natural resources of others nations, and for that, they have killed millions of peoples. The problems are to criminalize a whole population for the act of a small group of peoples, and some parrots will repeat the same arguments of the ruling elite. Corporations that run a ring of child prostitution, senators that use the same of prostitutions in order to have sex with little girls and people vote for them. Presidents who have used invasion in order to increase the traffic of drugs to produce profits for individuals dealers and corporations. One of the oldest drug dealers was a lawyer known as Benjamin Franklin who represents the corporation the were dealing with opium thru England and China, and the commodity was called tea

[Anonymous]

mcolome1 wrote:

mcolome1 wrote:

Capitalist Pig wrote:

alanjjohnstone wrote:

I don't want to place words into Mcolomes mouth but he is probay referring to the for profit detention centers used to house undocumented migrants. ICE are required to detain 34,000…a captivemarket (pun intended) for the private prison industry whose shares rose because of the election of Trump. There is little need for detention.Nine of the ten largest ICE detention centers are private and stricter the enforcement of immigration law, the better these businesses benefit.Private prisons hold about 8 percent of the country’s inmate population. On the other hand, private prisons and county jails hold 90 percent of immigration detainees. Even in facilities owned by ICE, many of the operations are carried out by personnel contracted from private companies .Carl Takei, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Prison Project, said while investors stand to profit, they shouldn’t lose sight of what he calls the moral issues wrapped up with the private prison industry. “No matter what they say about being a government services company or providing valuable services to government agencies, this is a business model that doesn’t need to exist,” Takei said. “It represents the outsourcing of an essential government function to for-profit companies that have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, but not to the the public.”  “The contracts make it clear that this is about commodifying human beings,” the ACLU’s Takei said. “The government specifies they will deliver a certain number of units to the private prisons. The units in this context are human beings.” You want to define them as felons and criminals but Trump ordered ICE to prioritize deporting not only immigrants who been convicted or charged with crimes, but also those who had "committed acts that constitute a chargeable offense"—a category that could include entering the country illegally and driving without a license. 

I get that private prisons are basically slave pens but I don't understand why anyone would defend drug-dealers,rapists, or murderers and advocate not enforcing the law against these people.

Mcolome wrote :In the same way that I do not understand why millions of peoples will defend invaders that have killed millions of peoples around the world, and presidents that have to make drug alliances with major drug dealers such as Pablo Escobar, and  presidents that never went t taken to jail, compare to Ronald Reagan, el Chapo is a retailer, and banks which their main depositor and customers are drugs dealers, and a government that produce coup d'tat and have overthrown elected presidents, and have installed dictators, and presidents that make alliances with terrorists,  approve the killing of peoples like a head hunter, corporations that steal and rob the natural resources of others nations, and for that, they have killed millions of peoples. The problems are to criminalize a whole population for the act of a small group of peoples, and some parrots will repeat the same arguments of the ruling elite. Corporations that run a ring of child prostitution, senators that use the same of prostitutions in order to have sex with little girls and people vote for them. Presidents who have used invasion in order to increase the traffic of drugs to produce profits for individuals dealers and corporations. One of the oldest drug dealers was a lawyer known as Benjamin Franklin who represents the corporation the were dealing with opium thru England and China, and the commodity was called tea

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Capitalist Pig wrote:

that has to be the stupidest thing i've ever read. o

Which one ?

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Capitalist Pig wrote:

alanjjohnstone wrote:

I don't want to place words into Mcolomes mouth but he is probay referring to the for profit detention centers used to house undocumented migrants. ICE are required to detain 34,000…a captivemarket (pun intended) for the private prison industry whose shares rose because of the election of Trump. There is little need for detention.Nine of the ten largest ICE detention centers are private and stricter the enforcement of immigration law, the better these businesses benefit.Private prisons hold about 8 percent of the country’s inmate population. On the other hand, private prisons and county jails hold 90 percent of immigration detainees. Even in facilities owned by ICE, many of the operations are carried out by personnel contracted from private companies .Carl Takei, staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Prison Project, said while investors stand to profit, they shouldn’t lose sight of what he calls the moral issues wrapped up with the private prison industry. “No matter what they say about being a government services company or providing valuable services to government agencies, this is a business model that doesn’t need to exist,” Takei said. “It represents the outsourcing of an essential government function to for-profit companies that have a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders, but not to the the public.”  “The contracts make it clear that this is about commodifying human beings,” the ACLU’s Takei said. “The government specifies they will deliver a certain number of units to the private prisons. The units in this context are human beings.” You want to define them as felons and criminals but Trump ordered ICE to prioritize deporting not only immigrants who been convicted or charged with crimes, but also those who had "committed acts that constitute a chargeable offense"—a category that could include entering the country illegally and driving without a license. 

I get that private prisons are basically slave pens but I don't understand why anyone would defend drug-dealers,rapists, or murderers and advocate not enforcing the law against these people.

Are we defending drug dealers as Pablo Escobar, Agosto, El Chapo, Uribe, Noriega, Ronald Reagan, etc, etc, ? We are supporting the members of the working class, the ones that produce everything in our society. At least they find resources to feed their children and ossometimes that they do not have resources to do that either

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