The class struggle and tax credits
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Forgot to add that if Cameron had his way and EU migrants were barred from getting tax credits(no chance of that happening though) they would have an income below the meagre official "poverty line" and not be able to survive in a fit state to work. Incidentally, I don't think there is anything in the EU Treaties stopping him barring non-EU migrants receiving tax credits, eg Filipino nurses, so why doesn't he do it? The fact that he is not thinking of doing this suggests he wouldn't do it to EU migrants even if Britain withdrew from the EU. In other words, it's all a bluff to try to steal votes back from UKIP.
DJP wrote:You already know the answer so why endlessly repeat yourself?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KHMO14KuJk For clarification to people who do not know Hopefully there are other interested people on here.
Vin wrote:Hopefully there are other interested people on here.Thanks for that but it still doesn't address the question. Most people will know we oppose reformism. But as Paxman says in the video we will just leave it there.
Vin wrote:Thanks for that but it still doesn't address the question.It does. Because if someone asks that question they're coming from a reformist mindset.
Vin wrote:But as Paxman says in the video we will just leave it there.Phew; that's a taxing relief…
Vin wrote:So we do not support workers struggles against austerity? Simple enough question.It's not a simple question. What do you mean by 'austerity'? If you mean the common usage in politics of a restriction of government spending, then the answer is, no we're not opposed to austrity. We don't care how much the capitalist class spend on on or through their state.If you mean do we support the working class organising to improve their material wealth and freedom, then yes, we do support that; but, again, we are unconcerned whether the wages come direct from employers or via the state.Assuredly, we would not advocate a vote for any partty seeking to increase (or maintain) the level of state expenditure (whether by tax or by borrowing), just as much as we would not advocate a vote for a party intending to decrease state spending. Since the outcome of elections is the easiest or most direct way to change state funding, to support a party that advocated such change as a person might desire, would be the only logical way to effect that change.
gnome wrote:Vin wrote:But as Paxman says in the video we will just leave it there.Phew; that's a taxing relief…
So I guess we disagree with Chomsky
DJP wrote:You already know the answer so why endlessly repeat yourself?ALB wrote:I was going to make the same point but you beat me to it.so patronise me. Seeing that you are both good at that. Yes or no Apparently on facebook we oppose austerity. Perhaps we could say that on the front of next months SS
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I suppose we should record that the Tory government has done a U-turn on this, whatever the reason.Another thing Osborne has done is to allow local councils to increase council tax to pay for social care for the elderly — which is precisely what the Green Party in Brighton floated the idea of a local referendum on to get round the central government ban on councils increasing the rates by more than 2%.It seems that even the Tories have come to realise that there are limits to bashing the poor and the vulnerable, if only for fear of losing public support.
More to the point as far as we are concerned: Did the growth in Corbyn support and the protests have anything to do wit the U-turn?We will certainly have this thrown at us.
I'd say the protests, including (and perhaps especially?) from the Lords and some Tories, would of course had had something to do with it. Doubt, though, if Corbyn's election as Labour Leader would have had.
Just received an email from 38 Degrees claiming responsibility for U-Turn I have to say that taking the position that workers' protests have nothing to do with anything – appears to deny any class struggle. Capitalist simply do what they wish. And until we reach the promised land we will just have to bend over and take it. Well bugger that.No pun intended
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