Talks by Hardy
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There are a group of videos on youtube by Comrade Hardy.Is there any reference to them on oure sites? Because they are very goodin content and it may be possible to clean them up if need be
Please pardon my ignorance if this has already been sorted
I don't think they've gone unnoticed but they may have gone unmentioned. Hardy would be a prime candidate for my next talk transcript so I may do that over Christmas.
I thought it might be because he was by the definition going around on the forum, a non socialist,Him being a member of an opposing group.Why are they not cleaned up and on this site?
Well, copyright is one issue, the films belong to the Socialist Stuidies group, so I doubt they'd give us permission.
The film was a talk recorded in 1986 probably at head office, there was no Socialist Studies group then. The 2006 conference licensed all SPGB material under CC-BY-ND.
The 2006 conference resolution can't be said to apply retrospectively, if SS decided to contest they could cause a mess, the text and performance of the talk is copyright the estate of E Hardcastle, irrespective of where the talk took place. Without express or implied agreement to the contrary that holds.
jondwhite wrote:The film was a talk recorded in 1986 probably at head office, there was no Socialist Studies group then. The 2006 conference licensed all SPGB material under CC-BY-ND.Whatever else can be said these talks were definitely not recorded at Head Office and neither was party equipment used in their filming. I strongly suspect that the series may have been recorded later than 1986; in fact after these members had been expelled.
AH, I thought they were recorded when he was still a member. Not our stuff
Young Master Smeet wrote:The 2006 conference resolution can't be said to apply retrospectively, if SS decided to contest they could cause a mess, the text and performance of the talk is copyright the estate of E Hardcastle, irrespective of where the talk took place. Without express or implied agreement to the contrary that holds.If the SPGB own the copyright presumably the SPGB could relicense it all under CC-BY-ND, but are you saying the conference resolution might not have meant to do that, only meaning to apply to future material?I think I'm basing 1986 on the dates from the tapes list, but a check of back issues of Socialist Standard from then might indicate the date, as might any images from the video of current issues. Is there a Socialist Standard visible in one of the videos?Didn't the SPGB publish and sell cassettes in the 1980s of talks?Doesn't giving a talk on behalf of the party transfer copyright to the party?
"Socialist Party of Great Britain sues The Socialist Party of Great Britain over intellectual ownership" ….makes a great headline and may attract some publicity as well as a lot of derision. I note that the comments function is disabled…isn't that contrary to custom and practice that debate and discussion is to be permitted, regardless of the medium of the message.
alanjjohnstone wrote:I note that the comments function is disabled…isn't that contrary to custom and practice that debate and discussion is to be permitted, regardless of the medium of the message.I noticed that. Good point
While we are on 'copyright' may I ask our resident lawyer a question? Who owns the copyright of Cde CS appearance on channel 4's 'Comment? And our election appearances? Could we be sued using the footage in a party video?
I'm guessing the talks were held at Marchmont Street in Bloomsbury. That was where the old (expelled) Camden Branch held their meetings in the 80s.
jondwhite wrote:Didn't the SPGB publish and sell cassettes in the 1980s of talks?Yes but only audio cassettes.
imposs1904 wrote:I'm guessing the talks were held at Marchmont Street in Bloomsbury. That was where the old (expelled) Camden Branch held their meetings in the 80s.Everyone posting here probably knows that Camden branch were not an expelled branch in the 80s but just mentioning this for the benefit of any other readers.
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