Syriza
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To true comrade, please share this thread on Facebook twitter etc let people know the alternative: SOCIALISM.
In the persuit of perfection you will never achieve a willing consencus of the majority population no party of any hue has done its always been a dictatorship be it left or right . Inthe great patroitic war -aka the invasion of Russia . Russia got beat time and time again losing many millions pf soldiers due in great part to his installing "political advisors " who told the captains etc what to do and it was all the wrong advice aftyer a year or so Stalin wised up and got rid of them for a while (although they came back at the end of the war) then he started to win battles. You know in your heart it wil take a revolution to change the UK to what you envisage as political perfection as the people just wont vote you in. Its never going to happen given the mindset of the 99% at this moment. I dont l;ive in a dream world of any shade life is seen to me cold and stark ideals dont work its been tried before and failed people will always be greedy -selfish etc human nature wont change unles you have control of the young from school age onwards to put into their minds your vision of humanity and that takes generations the neo-cons have achieved that by constant media propaganda about becoming just like the US 99 % who are brainwashed into thinking Socialist= communist=red thats how they think so are blocked from fighting their own government as it is to them unpatriotic as is joining a union (only 20 % are in a union in the us ) .they fight among themselves as to who gets promotion (divide and conquer ) while big business stands back laughing at them. That is the UK vision as per Cameron and co. Every US law is brought over here bit by bit . UK the next state of the Almighty USA.
The same dog wearing different collar. History has shown that capitalism can not be reformed, and history has also shown that the left always makes alliance with the capitalist class. They can call themselves radical or Marxist, but they are not a threat to capitalism.The PSOE in Spain was also a popular political party, they won an election in the middle of an economical and political crisis, and at the end they provided more benefits to the capitalist class than to the Spanish workers, and now they are part of the opposition.
For a deeper study of the background this seems interestinghttps://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/phase-one/Looking for analogies, the article touches upon the comparison of Syriza with the French pre-war Popular Front of the 30s back then…I've not read enough of the period to comment.As a coalition of diverse groups Syriza will i think remain in a constant state of instabilty..permanent disequilibrium…much like capitalism itself and as i always say…you cannot chase with the hounds and run with the fox…you can't run capitalism and support class struggle at the same time.
I think somehow I get what Duncan is talking about, that we just cannot ignore the mindset of the 99% or the ordinary people. There already exist a unity. I know what this unity is but I would sound like a broken record or err cd. Although there is a unity, it is still nevertheless an informal unity, but what do we do? formalize it, rather trying to break it. We all know there is force in unity, so why insist on a principle that is yet to have a force, when there is already an existing principles that already have one and already being enforced. What's the problem? Hopefully not because they (or we) are just ordinary people.sardaan Ordinarian
The Party's view of Syriza for those who want to post link on the various discussion lists. http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-return-of-left-wing-reformism.html
This is the mob Syriza are lashed up with:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Greeks
Quote:In terms of society, they stand in opposition to immigration [13] and multiculturalism,[14][15] supporting the banning of squats and the development of a Christian Orthodox oriented education system.[16]Economically, the party is focused on the rejection of the loan agreement between Greece, the EU and the International Monetary Fund.[9] Kammenos calls for a committee standing above political parties and endowed with emergency powers and authorities to clear up the events that led into Greece's economic crisis. He proclaimed a "national awakening and uprising", and supposed that Greece had fallen victim to an "international conspiracy"Charming.
I expect it's just a negotiating ploy (to show the new government's priority is to get a better deal for Greek capitalism). But they sound a nasty lot. A bit like a coalition between Left Unity and UKIP here but then the elements of the "left" and "right" have combined here too to oppose the EU. I wonder what ministries they'll get besides Church Affairs.
When this new government (Syriza) starts to play the transcendental game of playing pretend-heroes, martyrs, and saints they fell into the trap of the game the ruling elite had been playing since the dawn of human history. Transcendentalism is the magic weapon of all the ruling elite that have ever existed throughout the history of human society.sardaan Ordinarian
I like this anecdote recounted in the leader column of today's Times:
Quote:As Britain lost the confidence of international creditors in the mid-1970s, one Labour MP presented to Denis Healey, then chancellor of the exchequer, the left's economic alternative. It comprised big increases in spending, nationalisation and import controls. History records that Lord Healey fell about laughing.When will leftwing reformists learn that capitalism can't be reformed to work in the way they want, at least not without provoking an economic slowdown — and that the only realistic and workable way-out is socialism, the common ownership and democratic control of productive resources so they can be used to cater for people's needs and not for sale on a market with a view to profit?
ALB wrote:When will leftwing reformists learn that capitalism can't be reformed to work in the way they want, at least not without provoking an economic slowdown — and that the only realistic and workable way-out is socialism, the common ownership and democratic control of productive resources so they can be used to cater for people's needs and not for sale on a market with a view to profit?AAhh, some socialist propaganda on the Socialist forum More please
An example of the risks invovled:http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/noonan-new-greek-government-could-see-ireland-lose-out-on-350m-659671.html
Quote:The Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has said the Irish taxpayer could lose €350m if Greece defaults on its debts.OK, so necessary grovelling from the euqally indebted Irish (who have their own anti-austerity party waiting in the wings). But the point remains that a bold default could spread mayhem to otehr fragile economies. It will take a co-ordinated effort to abolish the market system, we can't leave that to competing economies.
jondwhite wrote:Is Costas Lapavitsas a Marxist?I think he would say he was. He has certainly written a lot about Marx. As has the man just appointed Greek Minister of Finance, Yanis Varoufakis. Here he is on Marx:
Quote:Marx was right: capitalism cannot be civilised by means of some benevolent government that applies the right dosage of fiscal and monetary policy at the right time.But there follows a big But:
Quote:Having said that, I genuinely believe that a Crisis is not the time to construct alternatives to capitalism. As we used to put it in an earlier, more confident, ‘era’, times of Crisis are not revolutionary times. As the 1930s amply showed (and the last few years have confirmed), the only political forces that exploit a Crisis are the xenophobes, the anti-semites, the misanthropes etc. Retrieving Keynes’ insight is, in this sense, an essential ingredient for (a) overcoming a Crisis which is incapable of generating something better than capitalism, and (b) giving humanity a chance to develop further Marx’s point about the need for a less wasteful, more rational way of producing and distributing surpluses.We'll see if Keynes will be of any use. In the meantime we can quote and quote again the new Greek Minister as being on record as saying:
Quote:Marx was right: capitalism cannot be civilised by means of some benevolent government that applies the right dosage of fiscal and monetary policy at the right time.
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