Syria: will the West attack?
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February 21, 2018 at 11:33 am #96218ALBKeymaster
Background information here on the groups currently controlling East Ghouta (and their ideology) that the media here is not giving and which are currently putting the population there through hell by refusing to give up their control of the area:http://www.egyptindependent.com/rebel-groups-fighting-syrias-eastern-ghouta/
February 21, 2018 at 12:20 pm #96219alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe Western media are reluctant to ask the question that the rebels are fighting a losing battle yet refuse to surrender.The media is reluctant to state that they are holding hundreds of thousands of civilians hostage and using them as human shields.Nevertheless, it is no reason to condone or turn a blind eye to the disproportionate and indiscriminate casualties inflicted by Bashar Assad on those civilians. The US can not point the finger because those were the exact same tactics used by them and their allies in Mosul Iraq.
February 22, 2018 at 2:28 am #96220alanjjohnstoneKeymasterHe isn't 100% perfect (who is?) but here is Robert Fisk casting his discerning eye over Ghouta
Quote:But these armed groups are curiously absent when we express our outrage at the carnage in Ghouta. There are no Western reporters to interview them – because we (though we don’t usually say so) would have our heads chopped off by these defenders of Ghouta if we tried or even dared to enter the besieged suburb. And the footage which we receive shows – incredibly – not a single armed man. This does not mean that the wounded or the dead children or the bloodied corpses – albeit with faces “blurred” by our own thoughtful television editors – are not real or that the film is fake. But the footage clearly does not show all of the truth. The cameras – or their film editors – do not depict the al-Nusrah fighters who are in Ghouta. Nor are they going to.February 22, 2018 at 4:03 am #96221alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAnother commentator i greatly admire is Norman Finkelstein.Here is a review of his latest book on Gazahttps://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/21/finkelsteins-on-gaza-who-or-what-has-a-right-to-exist/
Quote:In this book Finkelstein expresses outrage that Israel is exonerated by prestigious people and institutions, allowing escalation of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Persistent exposure of the little and big lies needs to be part of the struggle if there is really to be a Never Again for all people.February 22, 2018 at 11:58 pm #96222alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe Guardian gives the White Helmets their say on Ghoutahttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/ghouta-syrians-starvation-bombingWhile Russia vetos ceasefire proposalhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/22/russia-un-resolution-eastern-ghouta-ceasefire-syria
February 23, 2018 at 8:46 am #96223ALBKeymasterHere is the Russian government's point of view:https://www.rt.com/news/419618-syria-ghouta-distorted-coverage/Of course all the big and medium-sized capitalist states represented in the "League of Bandits" that is the UN are hypocrites on this issue. They have all also either supported or themselves done the same thing when they consider their "vital interests" are at stake, e.g. Mosul, Gaza, the Kurdish cities of South East Turkey, Yemen. In fact at this very moment the Turkish state is planning a similar operation in the Syrian town of Afrin, invoking the "vital interests" let-out clause to go to war in the UN Charter as jusification. From a working class and a generl human point of view war is senseless killing and destruction and, as the slogan puts it, capitalism means war.
February 23, 2018 at 3:28 pm #96225J SurmanParticipantJust watched an interesting interview on RT Crosstalk. Peter Lavelle talking with Alastair Crooke of Conflicts Forum.https://www.rt.com/shows/rt-interview/419633-crooke-trump-syria-politics/Discussing what Crooke describes as the three wars in Syria.
February 24, 2018 at 12:48 am #96224alanjjohnstoneKeymasterFisk again on Ghouta
Quote:But despite all the West’s rhetoric – and the UN’s constant refrain that the civilians of eastern Ghouta are experiencing “hell on earth” – the massive Syrian and Russian bombardment is going to continue. The Islamist Nusrah faction, the “child” of al-Qaeda of 9/11 infamy, appears to be more reluctant to surrender to the Syrians – even if allowed to leave with its light weapons – than Saudi Arabia’s favourite militia, the Jaish al-Islam, or Qatar’s proxy “Rahman Legion”.February 24, 2018 at 12:51 am #96226alanjjohnstoneKeymasterHuman Rights Watch (HRW) has condemned Turkey’s offensive on a Kurdish held area of northern Syria as causing unnecessary civilian casualties, as some counts put the toll as high as 120. The statement on Friday cited three attacks in the contested canton of Afrin in late January that killed a total of 26 civilians, including 17 children. The Turkish military had failed to take necessary precautions before carrying out the strikes and must conduct a thorough public investigation, the rights group said. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-afrin-civilian-death-assad-regimes-rebels-kurdish-turkey-fighting-ypg-a8225506.html
February 25, 2018 at 9:06 am #96227jondwhiteParticipantProyect blasts the assadist left and graeberhttps://louisproyect.org/2018/02/24/the-rojova-illusion/
February 25, 2018 at 9:21 am #96228alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe link in the article to Janet Biehl and Murray Bookchin's thoughts on various forms of ownership is interesting and worth a read.
April 10, 2018 at 4:30 pm #96229ALBKeymasterI don't know if this is true but it seems reasonable:https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/chemical-weapons-watchdog-to-send-inspectors-to-syria-1.521295https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804101063408765-opcw-douma/What's going to be interesting is how the War Party is going to react. Will they give the OPCW team the run-around that they gave poor old Hans Blix over Iraq's non-existent "weapons of mass destruction", ignoring any unfavourable conclusions?Bomber Blair is naturally in favour of bombing first and investigating afterwards.
April 10, 2018 at 6:23 pm #96230AnonymousInactiveALB wrote:I don't know if this is true but it seems reasonable:https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/chemical-weapons-watchdog-to-send-inspectors-to-syria-1.521295https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804101063408765-opcw-douma/What's going to be interesting is how the War Party is going to react. Will they give the OPCW team the run-around that they gave poor old Hans Blix over Iraq's non-existent "weapons of mass destruction", ignoring any unfavourable conclusions?Bomber Blair is naturally in favour of bombing first and investigating afterwards.When are they going to send an investigator to Gaza? European powers and the Yankees want to be the masters of the universe and get involved in the affairs of others countries, but others countries cannot get involved in the affairs of their own countries. It is the same case of the WMD of Iraq
April 11, 2018 at 5:16 am #96231ALBKeymasterFor the record, here's how the various States on the UN Security Council voted:www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1804/S00063/security-council-fails-to-adopt-three-resolutions-on-syria.htmThe OPCW investigation is going ahead anyway but so might the NATO bombing campaign and retaliatory action by Russia (probably on bases of US-trained rebels in Syria).
April 11, 2018 at 1:31 pm #96232alanjjohnstoneKeymasteri stand to be corrected but in my adult life, i have never heaard of a situation that Russia directly threatened to attack American forces.http://www.dw.com/en/donald-trump-tells-russia-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-coming/a-43340472
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