Syria: will the West attack?

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  • #96218
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Background information here on the groups currently controlling East Ghouta (and their ideology) that the media here is not giving and which are currently putting the population there through hell by refusing to give up their control of the area:http://www.egyptindependent.com/rebel-groups-fighting-syrias-eastern-ghouta/

    #96219
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The Western media are reluctant to ask the question that the rebels are fighting a losing battle yet refuse to surrender.The media is reluctant to state that they are holding hundreds of thousands of civilians hostage and using them as human shields.Nevertheless, it is no reason to condone or turn a blind eye to the disproportionate and indiscriminate casualties inflicted by Bashar Assad on those civilians. The US can not point the finger because those were the exact same tactics used by them and their allies in Mosul Iraq.

    #96220
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    He isn't 100% perfect (who is?) but here is Robert Fisk casting his discerning eye over Ghouta

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    But these armed groups are curiously absent when we express our outrage at the carnage in Ghouta. There are no Western reporters to interview them – because we (though we don’t usually say so) would have our heads chopped off by these defenders of Ghouta if we tried or even dared to enter the besieged suburb. And the footage which we receive shows – incredibly – not a single armed man. This does not mean that the wounded or the dead children or the bloodied corpses – albeit with faces “blurred” by our own thoughtful television editors – are not real or that the film is fake. But the footage clearly does not show all of the truth. The cameras – or their film editors – do not depict the al-Nusrah fighters who are in Ghouta. Nor are they going to.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ghouta-siege-syria-death-toll-civilians-armed-attack-rebel-aleppo-latest-a8221086.html

    #96221
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Another commentator i greatly admire is Norman Finkelstein.Here is a review of his latest book on Gazahttps://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/21/finkelsteins-on-gaza-who-or-what-has-a-right-to-exist/

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    In this book Finkelstein expresses outrage that Israel is exonerated by prestigious people and institutions, allowing escalation of war crimes and crimes against humanity.   Persistent exposure of the little and big lies needs to be part of the struggle if there is really to be a Never Again for all people.
    #96222
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The Guardian gives the White Helmets their say on Ghoutahttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/22/ghouta-syrians-starvation-bombingWhile Russia vetos ceasefire proposalhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/22/russia-un-resolution-eastern-ghouta-ceasefire-syria

    #96223
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Here is the Russian government's point of view:https://www.rt.com/news/419618-syria-ghouta-distorted-coverage/Of course all the big and medium-sized capitalist states represented in the "League of Bandits" that is the UN are hypocrites on this issue. They have all also either supported or themselves done the same thing when they consider their "vital interests" are at stake, e.g. Mosul, Gaza, the Kurdish cities of South East Turkey, Yemen. In fact at this very moment the Turkish state is planning a similar operation in the Syrian town of Afrin, invoking the "vital interests" let-out clause to go to war in the UN Charter as jusification. From a working class and a generl human point of view war is senseless killing and destruction and, as the slogan puts it, capitalism means war. 

    #96225
    J Surman
    Participant

    Just watched an interesting interview on RT Crosstalk. Peter Lavelle talking with Alastair Crooke of Conflicts Forum.https://www.rt.com/shows/rt-interview/419633-crooke-trump-syria-politics/Discussing what Crooke describes as the three wars in Syria.

    #96224
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Fisk again on Ghouta

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    But despite all the West’s rhetoric – and the UN’s constant refrain that the civilians of eastern Ghouta are experiencing “hell on earth” – the massive Syrian and Russian bombardment is going to continue. The Islamist Nusrah faction, the “child” of al-Qaeda of 9/11 infamy, appears to be more reluctant to surrender to the Syrians – even if allowed to leave with its light weapons – than Saudi Arabia’s favourite militia, the Jaish al-Islam, or Qatar’s proxy “Rahman Legion”.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-civil-war-eastern-ghouta-assad-regime-rebels-talks-artillery-air-strikes-a8224701.html

    #96226
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    Human Rights Watch (HRW) has condemned Turkey’s offensive on a Kurdish held area of northern Syria as causing unnecessary civilian casualties, as some counts put the toll as high as 120.  The statement on Friday cited three attacks in the contested canton of Afrin in late January that killed a total of 26 civilians, including 17 children. The Turkish military had failed to take necessary precautions before carrying out the strikes and must conduct a thorough public investigation, the rights group said. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-afrin-civilian-death-assad-regimes-rebels-kurdish-turkey-fighting-ypg-a8225506.html

    #96227
    jondwhite
    Participant

    Proyect blasts the assadist left and graeberhttps://louisproyect.org/2018/02/24/the-rojova-illusion/

    #96228
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The link in the article to Janet Biehl and Murray Bookchin's thoughts on various forms of ownership is interesting and worth a read.  

    #96229
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I don't know if this is true but it seems reasonable:https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/chemical-weapons-watchdog-to-send-inspectors-to-syria-1.521295https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804101063408765-opcw-douma/What's going to be interesting is how the War Party is going to react. Will they give the OPCW team the run-around that they gave poor old Hans Blix over Iraq's non-existent "weapons of mass destruction", ignoring any unfavourable conclusions?Bomber Blair is naturally in favour of bombing first and investigating afterwards.

    #96230
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    ALB wrote:
    I don't know if this is true but it seems reasonable:https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/chemical-weapons-watchdog-to-send-inspectors-to-syria-1.521295https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804101063408765-opcw-douma/What's going to be interesting is how the War Party is going to react. Will they give the OPCW team the run-around that they gave poor old Hans Blix over Iraq's non-existent "weapons of mass destruction", ignoring any unfavourable conclusions?Bomber Blair is naturally in favour of bombing first and investigating afterwards.

    When are they going to send an investigator to Gaza?  European powers and the Yankees want to be the masters of the universe and get involved in the affairs of others countries, but others countries cannot get involved in the affairs of their own countries. It is the same case of the WMD of Iraq

    #96231
    ALB
    Keymaster

    For the record, here's how the various States on the UN Security Council voted:www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1804/S00063/security-council-fails-to-adopt-three-resolutions-on-syria.htmThe OPCW investigation is going ahead anyway but so might the NATO bombing campaign and retaliatory action by Russia (probably on bases of US-trained rebels in Syria).

    #96232
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    i stand to be corrected but in my adult life, i have never heaard of a situation that Russia directly threatened to attack American forces.http://www.dw.com/en/donald-trump-tells-russia-missiles-fired-at-syria-will-be-coming/a-43340472

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