Syria: will the West attack?
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February 16, 2016 at 12:29 am #96188
alanjjohnstone
KeymasterWhile the bombing of the Syrian hospital most likely by either the Russians or Syrians is to be fully condemned as a despicable action, isn't it very noticable how the media and the UN are responding to it compared to the other incidents of hospitals being by bombed by the US and Saudi Arabia. Again with my cynical attitude i suspect these "war crimes" will be the pretext for a safe haven and no-fly zone to protect the rebel forces and permit them to re-group, re-supply and re-launch an offensive once the "ceasefire" fails, and this time perhaps with Turkish and Saudi troops involved.All guess-work and no doubt events on th ground will transpire to be very different in actuality but i never trust the media these days and certainly not the word of the UK government. Other members are fully entitled to their own scenarios which are equally valid.
February 16, 2016 at 7:58 am #96189alanjjohnstone
KeymasterPerhaps i am on the right track
Quote:The German leadership has supported the controversial idea of imposing a no-fly zone over northern Syria to alleviate the refugee crisis as the country tries to play in tune with Ankara’s demands for the creation of a so-called “buffer area” along its border.February 18, 2016 at 10:19 am #96190alanjjohnstone
KeymasterOnce again the cynic in me questions the claims of the Turkish government that the terrorist bomb in Ankara was the work of the Kurds. Firstly, it is very convenient and secondly in the three decades of conflict, the Kurds had never adopted such a strategy…Already the Turks are launching air attacks upon the Kurds. The practice has been more attacking the Turkish military as in the other attack on Turkish army convoy, more targetted, less indiscrimate. The last Ankara bombing was committed by ISIS. I see no reason why it could not be them again to draw Turkey into the war where they would benefit from a Turkish umbrella But of course the intelligence agencies of several nations do not make me privy to the secrets they know so it could be the Kurds or a maverick unit of them. Contrary to the war drawing to a close, i think it is entering a much more dangerous phase of a NATO ally, Turkey, and close regional allies Saudi Arabia becoming directly involved and no longer using the cover of proxy troops. Only a matter of time before they come up against either Russian or Iranian forces…and we have the result of a war escalating because of treaties…But simple speculation on my part…but as valid as any Daily Mail or Guardian writer's opinion.
February 18, 2016 at 10:54 am #96191alanjjohnstone
KeymasterAnother thing struck me
Quote:The attack was carried out by YPG member Salih Necar, who came in from Syria. Nine people were detained in connection to the attack.” Davutoğlu said Turkish intelligence had established where the militants had crossed into TurkeyThat suggests to me that the Turks were tracking this individual and his group so why didn't they intervene earlier to thwart the attack…i think we have enough experience in Northern Ireland that it is not beyonds the realms of imagination that the bombing was permitted to happen by the the authorities
February 18, 2016 at 12:54 pm #96192Young Master Smeet
ModeratorYPG official statement (apparently):https://twitter.com/cahitstorm/status/700274038854262784
February 18, 2016 at 7:48 pm #96193alanjjohnstone
KeymasterWorth a read about Islamist extremists/moderate resistance on the ground http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/17/obamas-moderate-syrian-deception
February 20, 2016 at 3:21 am #96194alanjjohnstone
KeymasterThe Kurdistan Freedom Hawks (TAK) has claimed responsibility for the Ankara bombing that killed 28 people this week, according to its website. It said the attack was in retaliation for Ankara’s military operation in Turkey's southeast.The TAK, is a splinter group of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). TAK has said that it severed links with the PKK. The latter, in turn, has reportedly denied having any control over the TAK.The militant group claimed in the statement published on Friday that the Ankara blast was carried out to avenge the “defenseless and wounded civilians brutally massacred in basements in Cizre.”https://www.rt.com/news/333019-tak-claims-responsability-ankara/
February 20, 2016 at 10:12 am #96195ALB
KeymasterI thought that oil and gas had to be involved somewhere in Turkey's opposition to Syria:http://www.naturalgasasia.com/turkey-kurds-in-duel-over-energy-17741After all, it couldn't just be Erdogan's desire to impose sharia law on Syria at the end of a bayonet.
February 23, 2016 at 9:52 pm #96196alanjjohnstone
KeymasterAmerica's Plan B is to break up Syria and by saying so, i think they have condemned the ceasefire to certain failurehttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/23/john-kerry-partition-syria-peace-talksWhich makes me think , if it is okayed for Syria, will Iraq also be partioned?
February 23, 2016 at 10:16 pm #96197alanjjohnstone
KeymasterI have a suspicious mind.http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/saudi-uae-ban-citizens-travelling-lebanon-160223154000581.htmlSaudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain all now ban its citizens from going to Lebanon and tells those already in Lebanon to leave. What do people here think is behind this. It is clearly designed to be anti Hezbollah but why the timing now. I have suggested an imminent invasion that is hotly denied by many but still wonder why…Things in Jordan is taking a strange turn to…secret talks, foreign army build up…Is the war about to spill over?
February 23, 2016 at 10:22 pm #96198alanjjohnstone
Keymasterhttp://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/23/451951/EU-Turkey-Russia-Syria-Federica-MogheriniFederica Mogherini, European Union foreign policy chief, has cautioned against the risk of a war with active military hostilities between Turkey and Russia. She issued the warning during a debate at the European Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee."We are always referring to Syria as a proxy war among regional actors,” Mogherini said, adding, however, that the current situation in Syria risks becoming “something bigger”… “I'm not thinking of a cold war. No, we risk a hot war among different actors than the one we always think of. Not necessarily Russia and the United States, but Russia and Turkey, could be,” she said.
February 23, 2016 at 10:30 pm #96199alanjjohnstone
KeymasterObama’s top military and intelligence advisers have expressed doubt on Russia’s willingness to abide by the recently-announced ceasefire in Syria. US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Marine General Joseph Dunford, and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director John Brennan have voiced increasingly hawkish views towards Russia, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, citing a senior administration official. Carter, Dunford and Brennan have even unanimously called for new measures to “inflict real pain on the Russians." US intelligence agencies have warned Obama that if the US leaves so-called “moderate” militants at Russia’s mercy, then the Saudis or some other group could break ranks with America and send portable anti-aircraft weapons to Syria to down Russian warplanes.http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/23/451934/CIA-Pentagon-Carter-Brennan-Dunford-Russia-Syria-Truce(My apologies for not combining these posts into a single message…occupational hazard of surfing news websites)
March 2, 2016 at 10:42 pm #96200alanjjohnstone
KeymasterThe Gulf States have now designated Hezbollah as a terrorist orgnisation. Why now? Again my cynical suspicious mind suggests it now provides an excuse for something in the offing if as i have speculated, ground forces are to soon to be used or those Saudi Arabian aircaft in Turkey will target Hezollah…this will inevitably draw Lebanon into the conflict
March 6, 2016 at 7:41 am #96201ALB
KeymasterNice headline but I don't know how reliable the interviewee is:http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160306/1035851666/syria-crisis-oil-talks.html
Quote:The Syrian crisis is nothing but a "game for control over oil riches," where religious and other issues are only used as a pretext, according to William Engdahl, a political analyst for the opinion website New Eastern Outlook. In an interview with Sputnik, William Engdahl, a political analyst for the opinion website New Eastern Outlook, gave his thoughtson the Syrian gridlock, which he sees as a conflict over the country's oil riches, with religious and other issues only being used as a pretext.According to his wikipedia entry Engdahl is a supporter of the nutty and dubious Larouche movement. Which would make him a bit of a conspiracy theorist and so not that reliable. Not that that necessarily means that there is nothing in what he says here.Russia's English language radio and TV station do interview some odd people.I'm not sure "oil riches" is the right word for Syria's oil whose extent and state is aptly typified by the illustration with the article — a nodding donkey. .I don't suppose there are many of them in Saudi Arabia, Iraq or Iran. Syria as a possible route for rival pipelines that's more credible. In any event, it's not about religion. That is, as he says, just a pretext, though quite an effective one to get people to "martyr" themselves on either side.
March 10, 2016 at 11:43 am #96202Anonymous
InactiveMore murky doings.http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/03/07/us-supplies-isis-through-turkey.htmlTurkey is a NATO member, and the famous investigative reporter Seymour Hersh had revealed in the 6 April 2014 London Review of Books, that on 20 June 2013 – just a few months prior to the sarin gas attack that Obama blamed on Assad and used as his excuse to invade Syria – the US Defense Intelligence Agency reported that America’s allies in overthrowing Bashar al-Assad were engaged in «the most advanced sarin plot since al-Qaida’s pre-9/11 effort», but the US Director of National Intelligence denied that it was true. One US ally there was al-Qaeda in Syria, known in Syria as al-Nusra, (Nusra and Erdoğan wanted this gas-attack to provide the excuse that Obama had set as his «red line» to overthrow Assad – a chemical-weapons attack in Syria.)
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