Streets protests in the USA
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America? Hong Kong? Iran? Israel? No, North London! Don’t tell me British police forces are being trained by Israel too?
London police officer suspended after "disturbing" footage emerges of officer appearing to kneel on a man's neck https://t.co/mb8J9NVcbu
— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) July 17, 2020
https://twitter.com/corona_town/status/1284340499827089410?s=21
To be fair to the British Police they seem to be have an equal opportunities approach to supression and brutality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liddle_Towers
http://www.users.ic24.net/~terrynorm/Justice/civil_liberties.htm
I don’t know if I’ve posted this before.
A woman was hit on a zebra crossing by police on Islington High Street, , travelling on the wrong side of road, on blue lights?
Police investigated who was at fault? They blamed the woman?
The Police paid her £300,000 in damages. She was a QC!The new trend in this world is that everything is being done by Israel ( Zionists ) or Soros, and anything against the US president is a conspiracy coming from the so-called Deep State. A bunch of smokescreens
For those right-wingers who promote state-rights and complain about the power of central government, they now ignore Trumps use of federal paramilitary troops in a number of cities.
Law’n’order has always been seen as a vote winner. Will it be this time?
I think Karl Marx overestimated the taking of class consciousness by the working class. I know that the bourgeoise ideology produced great influence on the minds of the workers, but there are workers around the world which are not so dominated as the USA working class and they do not approve everything that is done by the rulers
Noam Chomsky on Democracy Now, speaking about the protests in the USA and the actions taken by the government
U.S. District Judge Michael Simon today blocked federal agents in Portland from dispersing, arresting, threatening to arrest, or targeting force against journalists or legal observers at protests. The court’s order, which comes in response to a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Oregon, adds the Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Marshals Service to an existing injunction barring Portland police from arresting or attacking journalists and legal observers at Portland protests.
https://aclu-or.org/en/press-releases/federal-court-issues-restraining-order-federal-agents-portland
They will wipe out their ass with any court order, the USA government does not have any kind of respect for anything, they do not even pay respect to the embassies of others countries, in the past there were dictators who had respect for the embassies of others countries. The USA is a country governed by an outlaw, head hunters, and Western cowboys, and thousands of peoples support them, and then, they dare to call shitholes to other countries
Protesters fall out. BLM complain about the Portland demonstrators
The president of the Portland branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), ED Mondainé, warned that the Black Lives Matter movement in the city is being coopted by “privileged white people” with other agendas. He said the confrontations with the federal officers sent by the president are little more than a “spectacle and a distraction that do nothing for the cause of black equality…The children of the privileged are dancing on the stages of those that gave their lives for this movement,”
Mondainé said “empty battles” were serving Trump’s agenda because the president creates political theatre for electoral advantage. He said Trump is baiting protesters in Portland to light the fuse on a racist backlash across the country before the presidential election. “We have to change that narrative. We cannot let teargas and rubber bullets define the moment that we’re in now. We must seize the moment and assure the world that this time racism will no longer live,”
Teressa Raiford, the African American founder of Don’t Shoot Portland, accused the mayor of using the presence of the federal agents as cover for his own failure to address police reform.
“Our leaders now say: ‘Donald Trump’s attacking you and we care about you’. But the people on the front line realise we were being attacked by them before Donald Trump started attacking us,” he said. “They’re trying to claim that they stand as allies with the protesters. It is political. What you’re seeing with the mayor being sprayed with teargas, that is political propaganda.”
On the issue of policing
Hyung Nam, who has been closely observing police reform as a member of a city committee that advises on how the police budget is spent, said the lack of political will reflects economic realities.“All these liberal cities have extreme inequality, economic inequality, and there’s a major racial dimension to that. As long as we have that kind of economic inequality we’re going to see some form of policing like this,” he said.
This confirms our view that, once protests of this sort go beyond the basic anti-racist assertion that all humans are of equal worth no matter what the colour of their skin or so-called “race”, they get bogged down in the quagmire of reformist politics.
It is not difficult to see what’s going on here with both Republicans and various factions of the Democratic Party exploiting the situation for vote-catching ends, not to mention Leninist and anarchist vanguardists fishing in troubled waters.
The only way, literally, to avoid this is to campaign for socialism of which basic anti-racism is an integral part.
The comment by the person from NAACP about “privileged white people” cannot go unchallenged. There are of course privileged “white” people, ie those who own and control of the means of production, but there are also privileged “black“ people in the same position (even if proportionately less).
But those “white” people demonstrating in Portland are not privileged even if their parents come from the higher-paid section of the wage and salary working class. “Race” is indeed a toxic element in US politics.
On another note, yesterday was the final day of the Premier League. Sorry if you don’t follow football. There was a post mocking Liverpool FC. So, l indulged myself.
Klopp* The Liverpool manager: winning the title will be talked about for a very very long time?
Liverpool is being talked about. But not for winning the title, and for a very different reason, rightly so.
We have all learnt #BLM, that Liverpool was at the epicentre of the Slave trade. That Liverpool amassed its vast fortune on the back of, literally, men, women and child slaves.
Will Liverpool fans be on Change.org* demanding restitution be paid to those whose ancestors were slaves? Those who profited should pay up! Sadly, I doubt it.
*Klopp beggars belief he clearly has myopia.
*Liverpool fans were criticised for using Change.org, for something unrelated (football?) to the aims of Change.org, which is Human Rights based.
I don’t know if there’s any replies or the post is still up. YFS
I saw an article, not sure which one. That Liverpool stave trader, set up Liverpool Bank. The Bank had assets of, £113,000,000 (rounded down)!
A tweet I read from a women of colour, said that she has paid taxes, so she could be “free”. I obviously didn’t explain our position on taxation. Would have been insensitive.
The British Government, paid slave owners, a third of GDP, £20million.
I saw that in today’s money £17billion. The Government made a final repayment of this £20million in 2015.
This woman, said, slaves got not one penny.There is also a black capitalist class in the USA who also has privileges as the white capitalist class. They are the ones promoting Joe Biden along with the blacks pastors of the Evangelical churches. In these protests the Republicans, the Democrats and the Leninists are trying to fish in troubled waters. If these movement does not go beyond the concept of the race and adopt a working-class consciousness to be able to see that racism is not the problem, that the others humans are part of the working class, and they are also exploited and they are salaried slaves, it will die like the antiwar movement died which was based on nationalism
Our work as socialists is indeed a very difficult one.
We are anti-racist which has maintained deep roots within large sections of the working class, setting us apart.
However, there has been a sea-change in prejudice. It is not seen as “alright” to express racist views, as it once was. The number of interracial relationships have risen. Like religion we can detect racial discrimination withering away from societal changes. Racism no longer fully serves the interests of all sections of the capitalist class. (likewise sexism and prejudice against sexual orientation) and so it is destined to disappear.
Unfortunately, it does not seem as if nationalism has followed a similar trend. Despite the existence of supra-nationalist institutions such as the European Union, the African Union, Organisation of American States, the various UN agencies and the rise of transnational corporations, nationalist fervour appears to remain constant. We saw the reinforcement of the national barriers with the pandemic adding to the already strengthening borders against migration and movement of peoples.
We have not witnessed a similar tendency of nationalist feelings withering away. We have even seen the opposite with the rise of separatism such as Scottish and Catalonian independence movements.
Our work is very far from done regards nationalism.
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