SPGBers- Socialists – Non-Socialists and Anti- Socialists
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lindanesocialist wrote:There is a real and obvious problem within our movement when a video produced by a member is condemned and ridiculed by a central committee. The same central committeee that has imposed a lifelong ban on the said member without mandate. LindaSleep….cdes… sleeep
Are you referring to a vanguard party ? The SPGB does not have a central committee, and it is not a vanguard party
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alanjjohnstone wrote:Zeitgeist is still producing their videoes, satisfactory enough to recommend as introductions to socialism although with many caveats. such as thishttps://youtu.be/_EkMjTnWk14A spin-off produced this https://youtu.be/uaXhRlpusXEFree World Charter also existshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdGIyQ4LtNsWe all arrived at the idea of socialism and the SPGB via different journeys and on the way acquired different baggage we carry with us. Around the world others too have reached similar conclusions as we have in what sort of society is necessary for the betterment and the continuance of humanity.Some we will disagree with on the means to achieve it but we cannot de-legitimise them all if they stand for a revolution based on the will of the majority.Zeitgeist – we have already done this – by a party-poll including it within our hostility clause. A mistake in my opinion. We have now a group in Turkey, one i am not familiar with, nor many others, that seeks affiliation to the WSM. We demand that they accept our D. of P., which is unique to our roots and history alone.I wonder if they do not adopt the D of P it means that they place themselves outside the bounds of socialism. Maybe they have their own way of expressing socialist ideas …a "Where We Stand" statement which may very well be as valid as our own D. of P. in describing capitalism and socialism and what sort of political action is required for working class emancipation. I await with interest the outcome of their enquiry and if indeed they do share our ideas. I am for a much more inclusionary approach rather than an exclusionary. I don't strive for perfection, just compatibility and where there exists a difference of opinion it can be taken to our fellow-workers to decide upon which route they will choose.Yep, including TZM within the Party hostility clause is most definitely a mistake. Sure there are differences but there are more commonalities.
SocialistPunk wrote:Yep, including TZM within the Party hostility clause is most definitely a mistake. Sure there are differences but there are more commonalities.Exactly – I would replace our existing video, with this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EkMjTnWk14
Re the group in Turkey that has contacted us, for obvious reasons both sides have suspended communication for the time being.
SocialistPunk wrote:Yep, including TZM within the Party hostility clause is most definitely a mistake. Sure there are differences but there are more commonalities.I would seriously dispute that. The WSM/SPGB can have little or nothing in common with an organisation that expects technology and technocrats to transform society and eschews the need for working class consciousness and democratic political action.
. The WSM /SPGB they are unique political organizations around the whole world. The main purpose of TZM is to beautify capitalism based on modern technology.
jondwhite wrote:DJP wrote:jondwhite wrote:Can anyone tell us a bit more about the stance on elections of junge linke gegend kapital und nation? Their London affiliation was wine and cheese who produced the journal kittens. Didn't junge link come from electoral parties?Perhaps you could try asking them yourself?
I emailed them on your suggestion in English but got no reply as of yet.
I got this response from Gruppen Gegend Kapital und Nation.
Quote:I couldn't give you a full account of the differences, simply because I don't know the SPGB's position that well overall. I do appreciate about the SPGB that it takes a quite principled stance against nationalism and puts a strong emphasis on education, as far as I understand it. However, I'd assume that a key theoretical difference would be how we understand what an election is. That is, I doubt the piece you're quoting from would be agreeable to the SPGB. Are you're thinking of "Die Linke" when you assume that Junge Linke came from an electoral party? "Junge Linke gegen Kapital und Nation" was never affiliated with that party. The name collision was one of the reasons for the renaming. In ancient history, Junge Linke came fromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JungdemokratInnen/Junge_Linke Critisticuffs are indeed a separate group, if only for the fact that it's based in the UK and not everyone speaks German.
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