SPGB/WSM on eBay watch
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jondwhite wrote:I thought the flag was a photoshop. Is it actually for sale? Can a link be provided here?
This was the link Mike posted on this thread:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Socialist-Party-Of-Great-Britain-Garage-Hangar-Basement-Flag-3×5-Feet/292341008511?hash=item4410e1c87f:g:GPEAAOSwAO1amx~kI am pretty sure it is a photoshop, but I'm guessing that if an order came in they would print them off as described.
I think we should be very careful with the use of our name or logos by others peoples, even members must be careful when they make comments on others website. I have translated several documents, articles and writings of the SPGB/WSM and I have never placed my name on them. They belong to the WSM. Communists/socialists red flags have always been associated with the Leninists, Stalinists Maoists Hoxhaists, Soviets and Bolsheviks, and lately with the Bolivarians
It's a bit surprising that there are members clamouring for us to enforce copyright law when we are against the whiole concept. The following resolution was carried at 2007 Conference:
Quote:Be it resolved that all material created and published by the Party shall be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs copyright licence.Which (our expert on copyright told us) means that anybody can use our material as long as they don't change it and acknowledge the source. The famous flag would seem to meet both conditions.
And the business certainly showed more initiative than ourselves when it came to promoting our logo.Now we have been shown the way, can we find a local supplier who can take our order for a number of those flags
ALB wrote:It's a bit surprising that there are members clamouring for us to enforce copyright law when we are against the whole concept.Quite so. In any case for a work to have copyright protection, it must reach a requisite level of creativity. Many logos, perhaps even our own, do not. Since copyright can’t protect a name, colours or the design of the logo, most logos simply do not have the required level of creativity to be considered copyrightable.If you put something on the internet, be it a logo, photograph, illustration or even a blog post, someone will eventually copy it. That’s just the way it is, and the very nature of this beast we call the world wide web.
ALB wrote:It's a bit surprising that there are members clamouring for us to enforce copyright law when we are against the whiole concept. The following resolution was carried at 2007 Conference:Quote:Be it resolved that all material created and published by the Party shall be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs copyright licence.Which (our expert on copyright told us) means that anybody can use our material as long as they don't change it and acknowledge the source. The famous flag would seem to meet both conditions.
I am not defending the Law of Intellectual Property, what I am suggesting is to avoid the use of the name of the Socialist Party for commercial purposes, and to be associated with the Soviets. I know that we do not defend the law of copyright and trademarks
gnome wrote:ALB wrote:It's a bit surprising that there are members clamouring for us to enforce copyright law when we are against the whole concept.Quite so. In any case for a work to have copyright protection, it must reach a requisite level of creativity. Many logos, perhaps even our own, do not. Since copyright can’t protect a name, colours or the design of the logo, most logos simply do not have the required level of creativity to be considered copyrightable.If you put something on the internet, be it a logo, photograph, illustration or even a blog post, someone will eventually copy it. That’s just the way it is, and the very nature of this beast we call the world wide web.
This is the definition of intellectual property:Intellectual property refers to creations of the mind: inventions; literary and artistic works; and symbols, names and images used in commerce. Intellectual property is divided into two categories: Industrial Property includes patents for inventions, trademarks, industrial designs and geographical indications.http://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/intproperty/450/wipo_pub_450.pdf
jondwhite wrote:A SPC pamphlet on the Russian Revolution is wrongly attributed to the SPGB in a list of SPGB pamphletshttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263481049870?ul_noapp=trueThis has been relisted herehttps://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Socialist-Party-of-Great-Britain-Pamphlets-dating-from-1930s-1950-5No/263585391654
jondwhite wrote:mcolome1 wrote:I have seen materials of the WSM/SPGB publisjhed on Anarchists and Leninists websites. I sent material to a librarian in Cuba. She died last year.Links please?
http://contraeconomia.blogspot.com/2009/02/el-partido-socialista-de-gran-bretana.html
I didn't know Robin's arguments against the "Economic Calculation Argument" had been translated into Spanish.
This is what this Anarchist blog says about the SPGB and Robin.After having defended the economic model of the gift of Robin Cox I have found that its background is that of classical Marxism. Robin Cox belonged to the Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB, for its acronym in English). A party that was founded in 1904, making it one of the longest-running parties in modern history. This party is one of the main promoters of the idea of socialism as a decentralized production system, without commercial exchange and without money. Instead of producing for commercial exchange, it would be produced directly to meet human needs. The idea of this party is therefore compatible with that of anarcho-communism. The biggest objection that the anarchists have made is the pretence of introducing socialism through the system of representative democracy currently in force because there is a danger that the representatives of the party will take and keep the power in their hands, instead of abolishing the power of the State. The SPGB, in turn, rejects the anarchists, recriminating them that they do not have a solid theoretical framework like the one they find in Marxism. The lack of a solid economic and political theory and the lack of organizational unity of the anarchists are an obstacle to the triumph of socialism. However, the libertarian Marxism that the SPGB defends makes it akin to the anarchist ideal. The SPGB does not believe in the need for a period of transition between capitalism and communism. At this point, they deviate from Marx, but they do so because they consider that historical development has made the implementation of a transitional period unnecessary, although this was necessary when Marx proposed it. The SPGB is not a Leninist party. They do not consider that Lenin has extended the doctrines of Marx but consider that he rather distorted them in a perverse way. The SPGB was one of the first critics of Lenin and his followers when much of the Marxists admired the Soviet regime. Following Marx, the SPGB teaches that socialism will come as a consequence of the class struggle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. The proletariat will prevail in this struggle, take over the state machinery and eliminate the class system. The proletariat will impose socialism as the SPGB interprets it, because it will be in their own interest to do so. The SPGB insists a lot on the importance of the class struggle. Other types of conflicts, such as wars between nations, racial discrimination, the patriarchal system, discrimination based on "sexual orientation", are not important, and only weaken the struggle of the proletariat. The SPGB does not take sides in wars between countries since it considers that all governments serve the bourgeoisie. But it happens that the current proletariat does not share the position of the SPGB. The proletariat lacks the "class consciousness" necessary to implement socialism, which is why it accepts bourgeois ideologies instead of adopting the revolutionary Marxism of the SPGB. The task of the SPGB is to educate the proletariat to accept their version of Marxism. For this, the SPGB publishes a magazine called The Socialist Standard, which has the advantage that it uses normal English, trying to avoid as much as possible the complicated Marxist jargon. The SPGB also has "companion parties" such as the World Socialist Party of the USA, and the World Socialist Party of Canada, which form a network called the "World Socialist Movement". The SPGB does not make alliances with parties that do not accept its basic principles; he considers them as servants of the bourgeoisie and has declared their open hostility to them. This hardline of the SPGB has won him great animosity, but it has also helped him to consolidate his membership, in a similar way to a religious sect that preaches that there is no salvation outside of it. In the religious aspect, the SPGB does not accept as religious members, cannot apply as a member anyone who believes in God. This is because they consider that theism is opposed to the materialism taught by Marx. The SPGB is democratically organized, has no leaders to impose their will, so it is necessary for the membership to accept the basic principles of its Marxist interpretation because otherwise its original purpose would be distorted, thereby rejecting believers It would be justified in this way. Robin Cox, however, does not agree with that policy. Although he is not religious, this discrimination against religious people seems unacceptable. He considers that the implementation of socialism is a practical matter in which the belief in God does not intervene at all. This was the reason why Robin Cox left the SPGB and joined the World in Common group. However, although Robin Cox is no longer a member of the SPGB, the Party always uses Cox's ideas to demonstrate that the economic calculation THIS IS A DIGITAL TRANSLATION AND IT WASN'T ABLE TO SEPARATE IT IN SEVERAL SENTENCES
Marcos wrote:However, although Robin Cox is no longer a member of the SPGB, the Party always uses Cox's ideas to demonstrate that the economic calculation.Robin has recently rejoined the SPGB and is currently a member of its Publications Committee.
gnome wrote:Marcos wrote:However, although Robin Cox is no longer a member of the SPGB, the Party always uses Cox's ideas to demonstrate that the economic calculation.Robin has recently rejoined the SPGB and is currently a member of its Publications Committee.
I know that. That is what the article said at that time
Marcos wrote:gnome wrote:Marcos wrote:However, although Robin Cox is no longer a member of the SPGB, the Party always uses Cox's ideas to demonstrate that the economic calculation.Robin has recently rejoined the SPGB and is currently a member of its Publications Committee.
I know that. That is what the article said at that time
Yes, yes, I know you know that and I know I know that but other folk may not know that.
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