"socialism" popular in the US
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March 2, 2020 at 8:57 pm #194219AnonymousInactive
They are going to try to steal the nomination from Bernie Sanders.
March 2, 2020 at 10:41 pm #194228alanjjohnstoneKeymasterYup, and now it is the “Come-back Kid” Biden.
Buttigieg and Klobachar fall by the way-side, Bloomberg still to show his worth, Warren under-performing everywhere
No national media is following up on Biden’s false-memory syndrome where he lies about being an activist in the civil rights movement and that he was arrested in South Africa for trying to see Nelson Mandela. If that was Sanders making up stories …well…he would be described as going senile.
He lies as much as Trump
Biden claimed that he graduated in the top half of his law school.
He graduated 76th in a class of 85.“If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are. ” about time his helicopter had to make a landing not because of Al Qaeda but due to a sudden snowstorm.
“When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.” –Joe Biden, apparently unaware that FDR wasn’t president when the stock market crashed in 1929 and that only experimental TV sets existed.
“Stand up, Chuck, let ’em see ya.” Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair.
His racism
“In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.”
And his African American racism that was never mentioned in South Carolina primary
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” About the then US presidential candidate Barack Obama
These will no doubt come out from the Republicans if he is the Democratic nominee and make way for Trump victory but for now…but for now even his Democratic rivals decline to tell the truth.
March 3, 2020 at 12:22 am #194239AnonymousInactiveThousands of Afro-American in the South voted for Joe Biden, and there are many supporting Bloomberg, both have a history of being anti-blacks, as many women ( Feminists and Lesbians ) voted for Donald on 2016. Probably, the feminists keyboard warriors of the SPGB are going to call me sexist, but the statistics do not lie
March 3, 2020 at 12:25 am #194240AnonymousInactiveJoe Biden and Bloomberg both are the Donald Trump of the Democratic Party
March 3, 2020 at 11:17 pm #194332alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe article did provide me with a quote approvingly cited by Marx
“…With adequate profit, capital is very bold. A certain 10 per cent. will ensure its employment anywhere; 20 per cent. certain will produce eagerness; 50 per cent., positive audacity; 100 per cent. will make it ready to trample on all human laws; 300 per cent., and there is not a crime at which it will scruple, nor a risk it will not run, even to the chance of its owner being hanged. If turbulence and strife will bring a profit, it will freely encourage both…” – T. J. Dunning, ‘Trades’ unions and strikes’ (quoted at https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch31.htm)
March 5, 2020 at 12:45 pm #194456alanjjohnstoneKeymaster“What Sanders is advocating is something approaching the social-welfare systems of other economically developed countries and that’s a far cry from the socialism Fox News is using as a boogeyman to frighten conservatives.”
March 6, 2020 at 8:46 pm #194555AnonymousInactiveIt is not so popular when the whole south voted for a right-winger ( Now they are called Centrists ) like Joe Biden who is promising fewer reforms than Bernie Sanders
March 9, 2020 at 9:58 am #194807AnonymousInactiveTulsi Gabbard is more ‘radical’ than Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Party leadership do not want a presidential candidate like her, her stand on wars, Saudi Arabia, emigration, and the US intervention around the world and Latin America, will not let her obtain the nomination, she was only able to obtain a few delegates, for the USA voters she might sound like another Hugo Chavez. She also advocates for medical service for all and free education like Bernie Sanders
March 10, 2020 at 1:06 pm #194957alanjjohnstoneKeymasterDoes the Scandinavian Model Support Bernie’s Socialist Message?
“The Scandinavians and their leaders don’t consider themselves as living in socialist countries. Socialism has many different faces depending on the angle of your view. From America, those countries may appear to be socialist. That is understandable given that our dominant political culture, which for well over a hundred years, has seen any government regulation of the marketplace and provision of economic assistance to the populace as socialistic. Such an expansive definition of socialism renders the term useless as a guide for determining public policy. It leads to sloganeering, both pro and con, on any policy that alters the current economic structure of our nation…Arguing that many Scandinavian public policies promote higher standards of living and happiness, is a strong rational argument. But, don’t sell those countries as socialist, which they are not. Having proportional electoral systems has resulted in all of them having coalition governments from time to time. “
March 10, 2020 at 1:13 pm #194958alanjjohnstoneKeymasterhttps://countercurrents.org/2020/03/democratic-socialism-can-prevent-the-catastrophe
“By not following Karl Marx’s observations, which praised capitalist development and urged its necessity before socialist constructions, the Soviet system doomed itself to failure.”
“Will AI and extensive Robotics be a suitable companion to the workers of a new and less profit oriented system industrial system, where wages can be coupons for more equitably distributed abundance?”
“Those who previously exclaimed, “Better Dead than Red” need not transpose to “Better Red than Dead.” “Better Pink than Sink,” is the new slogan for the Democratic and Socialist communities, pushed to leadership in order to prevent Capitalism’s latest offering — human extinction.”
March 10, 2020 at 10:55 pm #195001AnonymousInactiveThat is the whole point. For most Americans ( from the USA ) socialism is social services controlled and managed by the state, but for true socialists, socialism is a different definition, it is a stateless society. For the so-called anti-neoliberal their conception is the same as the USA workers, as we said in the Socialist Standard last month, the problem is not Neo-Liberalism, the problem is capitalism, and it is not one sector of the capitalist society, it is the whole economic system
March 10, 2020 at 11:48 pm #195011AnonymousInactiveBesides not following Marx observation about post-capitalist society, socialism can not be established in one country, it was a concept created by Nikolai Bukharin and supported by Lenin and Stalin
March 11, 2020 at 6:00 am #195040alanjjohnstoneKeymasterMakes some good comparisons and makes a bad conclusion
March 11, 2020 at 7:08 am #195041AnonymousInactiveI do not know if Bernie Sanders has the courage to run as an independent and form a political party with all his followers. There are two possible candidates that he can nominate as Vice-President which are Tulsi Gabbard, or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
March 14, 2020 at 3:37 pm #195570alanjjohnstoneKeymasterIn the US we now what is called ~ “Disaster Socialism”
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