Social media Manipulation

[Anonymous]

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There used to be a Party web-site for the circulation of letters to the media but it fell into disuse from lack of interest.

I don't know if you are refering to this email list.https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/spgbmedia/info

[alanjjohnstone]

Thanks, Matt. It was what i was thinking of and as we can see in 2016 when it was last used there were a total 7 messages for the whole year.It was a useful site but sadly not given the exposure it should have had.Should it be kick-started back into use or discarded?

[alanjjohnstone]

I forgot all about the magazine "Revolution" that was produced by the Party, mostly circulated for Party members, which printed letters which were published.

[jondwhite]

alanjjohnstone wrote:

I forgot all about the magazine "Revolution" that was produced by the Party, mostly circulated for Party members, which printed letters which were published.

When was this? I've never heard of this.

[alanjjohnstone]

Turn of the century…21st that is…The bulk of the issues before i re-joined and i saw only a few of the later produced issues.

[Anonymous]

alanjjohnstone wrote:

It was a useful site but sadly not given the exposure it should have had.Should it be kick-started back into use or discarded?

It is there to be used so will lie dormant until it is. I don't believe in forcing stuff along. It may not be fit for purpose as comrades use different methods, not so much local newspaper letter page writing, but chat fora answering and so on, as you do and I do also under different pseudonyms.My local newspaper is painfull to read these days and I begrudge spending money on it.. I do not know anyone who does read it in my locality.

[alanjjohnstone]

Just commence my daily trawl of the media websites and what do i find, a skewed home page for the UK Guardian.Is the lead story, unarmed demonstrators killed by Israel? – NoIs the lead story, the UK soldier who was killed in Syria, a country the government has never revealed that UK troops are deployed on the ground? – NoInstead, we have the prominence given to the diplomatic spat with RussiaSame with the Guardian's other editions except the International edition that does lead with the Palestinian killings which, however, has the sub-headline"Israeli military dismisses demonstration as Hamas ploy to ‘carry out terror attacks’ "Shameful journalism and reporting.

[alanjjohnstone]

And the Guardian….doesn't even ask the question…how many UK troops are fighting in Syria that we don't know of…a dismal newspaper

[ALB]

Criticise Israel? You can't do that. It's anti-semitism

[alanjjohnstone]

Indeed it would be…A definition of anti-Semitism includes the demonizing of Israel and denial of its right to exist. But many nations right to exist is challenged…Wasn't the right of Scotland to be a sovereign nation denied by many. And many nations wiped from the map was celebrated…USSR, YugoslaviaI came across this article which claims to be how to be pro-Palestinian without being anti-semitic http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/how-to-be-pro-palestinian-on-campus-without-being-an-antisemite/For sure it makes some valid observations but one elephant in the room never addressed – the occupation by Israel and the cause of the present deadly repression – the right to return for Palestinian families expelled during the Nakba.I also came across a new termZionophobia – anti-zionism

[jondwhite]

I'm not sure how prevalent left anti semitism is but Zionists might have a point when lefties neglect to argue Palestine (or North Korea or Russia) has no right to exist. So anti semitism as "“delegitimize, demonize, or apply double standards to” the State of Israel." Is partially correct.

[ALB]

The definition of anti-semitism on the US State Department's website, and the examples given, seems reasonable enough, except that they have slipped in this one:

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Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor

Of course setting up the state of Isael was not racist if only because the Jews are not a race (no groups of humans are as races don't exist) but this pushes the definition of anti-semitism too far as this would seem to rule out one side in any historical or political discussion about whether — and of course where — Israel should have been established as a "Jewish homeland". And, as has just been pointed out, why can a case for not establishing a state for Kurds or Biafrans or whoever be regarded as legitimate but not a case for not establishing one for Jews?It is tantamount to saying that to be anti-Zionist is to be anti-semitic. Which would make us, and even Jewish reformist groups like the Bund, anti-semitic since, before Israel was set up, we and they consistently opposed setting up a separate state as a political objective for Jewish workers rather than socialism or working with other workers within the existing state in which they lived.

[alanjjohnstone]

http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2018/03/are-we-anti-semitic.htmlhttp://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2018/03/race-war-or-class-war.html

[Major McPharter]

There is only one race.The Human Race.

[ALB]

The irony (or whatever) is that anti-semitism would have virtually died out if the state of Israel had not been set up.

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