Sanders Socialism?

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    alanjjohnstone
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    Sanders for Co-opshttp://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/08/18/bernie-sanders-proposes-boost-worker-ownership-companies

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    alanjjohnstone
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    Sanders V Bookchinhttp://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/24/the-prophet-farmed-murray-bookchin-on-bernie-sanders/I also watched the 1988 video that is linked to in the article and near the end Sanders said that his preference would have been for Jesse Jackson to run as a Third Party candidate and not the for the Democratic Party…Strange how the years pass and opinions change for Sanders. 

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    jondwhite
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    Could be a newspaper rumour but I read that Daniel Craig has backed Sanders

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    ALB
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    Today's Times quotes Sanders as commenting on Corbyn's election:

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    At a time of mass income and wealth inequality throughout the world, I am delighted that the British Labour party has elected Jeremy Corbyn as its new leader. We need leadership in every country in the world which tells the billionaire class that they cannot have it all. We need economies that work for working families, not just the people on top.
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    alanjjohnstone
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    #111673
    Anonymous
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    Some pertinent observations here – the writer appears to know what socialism isn't but it's not altogether clear she knows what socialism actually is…http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/33407-is-bernie-sanders-dangerous-to-socialism

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    alanjjohnstone
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    I also read the article and placed a short comment.alan johnstone • 12 hours agoAn article spoiled by the endorsement of Socialist Alternative. I suppose we face the same argument as we have had previously about Brand and Corbyn…that they are bringing a well-needed attention to the subject of socialism…or that Sanders and co are distracting and actually adding confusion to socialism.  My point was that even critics of Sanders from the left as in the linked article are not much clearer in their conception of socialism. 

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    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/27/opinions/opinion-roundup-socialism/index.htmlAt least one commentator talks a little sense:

    Andrei S. Markovits wrote:
    People of very different political persuasions have called themselves socialists. French political theorists of the 19th century used the word to connote a system in which there was only communal property. Later, Karl Marx and collaborator Friedrich Engels appropriated the term and redefined it as a system in which there would be no private property, which to them was the source of all inequality, injustice and evil.Marx and Engels used the words "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably and believed such a system would create heaven on Earth. But they never really told us how one would transform capitalism and arrive at socialism. So people had to figure it out for themselves.

    So, apart from the silly snides, at least Sanders is getting such things talked about on mainstream US media…

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    https://berniesanders.com/democratic-socialism-in-the-united-states/#This is his 'NMajor speech' outlining what he thinks of as socialism.

    Sanders wrote:
    n that remarkable speech this is what Roosevelt stated, and I quote: “We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. Necessitous men are not free men.” End of quote. In other words, real freedom must include economic security. That was Roosevelt’s vision 70 years ago. It is my vision today. It is a vision that we have not yet achieved. It is time that we did.In that speech, Roosevelt described the economic rights that he believed every American was entitled to: The right to a decent job at decent pay, the right to adequate food, clothing, and time off from work, the right for every business, large and small, to function in an atmosphere free from unfair competition and domination by monopolies. The right of all Americans to have a decent home and decent health care.
    Sanders wrote:
    People are not truly free when they are unable to feed their family. People are not truly free when they are unable to retire with dignity. People are not truly free when they are unemployed or underpaid or when they are exhausted by working long hours. People are not truly free when they have no health care.

    Killer:

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    I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal.
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