Russian Tensions
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March 3, 2022 at 1:27 am #227254alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
Another of Scott Ritter’s anaysis
“The pro-Ukraine crowd has put forth a narrative constructed around the self-supporting themes of irrationality on the part of a Russian president, Vladimir Putin, and his post-Cold War fantasies of resurrecting the former Soviet Union.
This narrative ignores that, far from acting on a whim, the Russian president is working from a playbook that he initiated as far back as 2007, when he addressed the Munich Security Conference and warned the assembled leadership of Europe of the need for a new security framework to replace existing unitary system currently in place, built as it was around a trans-Atlantic alliance (NATO) led by the United States.
Moreover, far from seeking the reconstitution of the former Soviet Union, Putin is simply pursuing a post-Cold War system which protects the interests and security of the Russian people, including those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves residing outside the borders of Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union.”March 3, 2022 at 1:37 am #227255AnonymousInactiveAw, what a sweet man!
The population of Kharkov are mostly Russians, as are those on the Ukrainian side of the eastern border.March 3, 2022 at 1:55 am #227256alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAnother view entirely – “anti-imperialism of idiots”
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/02/my-letter-kyiv-anti-imperialist-idiots-west
“I have written about the peace process and about civilian victims on both sides of the Donbas war. I tried to promote dialogue. But this has all gone up in smoke now. There will be no compromise. Putin can plan whatever he wants, but even if Russia seizes Kyiv and instals its occupational government, we will resist it. The struggle will last until Russia gets out of Ukraine and pays for all the victims and all the destruction.
Hence, my last words are addressed to the Russian people: hurry up and overthrow the Putin regime. It is in your interests as well as ours.”March 3, 2022 at 2:04 am #227257AnonymousInactiveMarch 3, 2022 at 2:14 am #227258alanjjohnstoneKeymasterFrom anecdotal evidence from the various media reports, the Russian military morale is at a low and disaffection is rife through its ranks.
They say some Russian troops are sabotaging their own vehicles.
If so, more power to them
We can only hope the words of the Internationale are heeded
On tyrants only we’ll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They’ll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We’ll shoot the generals on our own side.- This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by alanjjohnstone.
March 3, 2022 at 2:36 am #227259AnonymousInactiveAnd the character of this war is that it’s to a great extent civilians against an army. It has characteristics of the Spanish civil war and of Vietnam, with soldiers being beset by the civilian population, mobbed by enraged women, old people, families. When not under physical attack, the Russian soldiers are verbally abused and railed against. And, if not aware before, these troops of Russian raw youths who have never been infantry in a war will be witness to what their air forces have done before them to residential centres.
March 3, 2022 at 2:40 am #227261AnonymousInactiveAnd the railery, abuse and condemnation by the people is in their own language.
March 3, 2022 at 4:25 am #227262alanjjohnstoneKeymasterRussian demonstrators have once again taken to the streets of St Petersburg to protest the invasion of Ukraine. As in previous days, they were met with heavy police presence – anti-riot officers violently dispersed protestors and arrested dozens.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60582327
Thousands of Russian scientists and science journalists have put their names to a statement of protest against the “unfair and senseless” invasion of Ukraine. The online statement by the news organisation TRV Science. The statement was signed by leading scientists, including about 25 members of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
In Ukraine residents have also been in the streets protesting against the Russian presence
The refugee figure is up to a million now according to UN sources
March 3, 2022 at 4:43 am #227263alanjjohnstoneKeymasterIs it propaganda?
Anonymous reveal that they have details that the Russian intelligence agency, the FSB, warned Ukraine of an assassination plot against Zelenskyy.
Russian FSB leaked information alerted Ukraine to assassination plot against President @ZelenskyyUa. Now, we can expect an internal power struggle within the Kremlin to overthrow the Putin regime. In the meantime, let's continue with the attacks.
— Anonymous (@LatestAnonPress) March 3, 2022
Either a revelation that there exists dissent within the Russian higher echelons or disinformation to plant distrust among it.
March 3, 2022 at 5:31 am #227264alanjjohnstoneKeymasterA commentary from Jonathan Cook
Russia-Ukraine: A different invasion, the West’s same ‘madman’ script
“How convenient for western leaders that every time another country defies the West’s projection of power, the western media can agree on one thing: that the foreign government in question is led by a madman, a psychopath or a megalomaniac.
At a drop of a hat, western leaders are absolved of guilt or even responsibility for the terrible events that unfold. The West remains virtuous, simply a victim of the world’s madmen. Nothing the West did was a provocation. Nothing they could have done would have averted the disaster.”March 3, 2022 at 6:00 am #227265ALBKeymasterThe population of Kharkov are mostly Russians, as are those on the Ukrainian side of the eastern border.
Are you sure about that? According to the Wikipedia entry on “Kharkiv” (as we have to spell it now), only 33% of the population of Kharkov classified themselves as Russian in the 2001 Ukrainian census. The figure for the whole of Ukraine was 17% which, at one out of every six inhabitants, is quite high.
March 3, 2022 at 7:36 am #227267AnonymousInactiveSo far he has made four nuclear menaces.
March 3, 2022 at 9:30 am #227268robbo203ParticipantIts not just the nuclear option that is chilling, Check this out
FFS What a sick world we live
March 3, 2022 at 10:54 am #227269alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAC, you earlier asked who were Putin’s supporters in government.
This BBC link will help
March 3, 2022 at 10:55 am #227270AnonymousInactiveThanks.
Look at the picture of how he sits with his ministers, all bunched in a semi circle 20 ft or more from him!
Is this normal for any other bourgeois democracy govt? -
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