Russian Tensions
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February 24, 2022 at 5:20 pm #226958AnonymousInactive
I don’t think we were mistaken. We said that a wide scale invasion was not going to take place and that Russian troop have been in eastern Ukraine since 2014
February 24, 2022 at 5:33 pm #226959AnonymousInactiveThis is a widescale invasion, from north, east, and south.
February 24, 2022 at 6:29 pm #226960AnonymousInactiveIt is not a wide-scale invasion. A wide-scale invasion is when the troops penetrate the whole country
February 24, 2022 at 9:39 pm #226962ALBKeymasterHere’s a curiosity. An interview with the conman, Oleg Vernyk, who scammed us and quite a few other organisations in Europe and North America into believing that there were people in the Ukraine who accepted our principles. He even addressed one of our conferences. We even sent a couple of comrades to Kiev to meet him and his fellow conmen.
He is (and probably was then) an orthodox Trotskyist as can be seen from the interview. From which it can be seen that the Ukrainian trots are opposed to both “Western imperialism” and “Russian imperialism” — or were, because the interview dates from before the invasion.
February 24, 2022 at 9:39 pm #226963ALBKeymasterI see there have been some anti-war demonstrators in Russia.
February 24, 2022 at 10:29 pm #226964AnonymousInactiveIt is very rare to see a Trotskyist group taking such an independent stand. Natalia Sedovia the wife of Leon Trotsky did recognize that the Soviet Union was a state capitalist country
Here we have another analysis made by an ex-soviet/Stalinist group
February 24, 2022 at 11:00 pm #226967AnonymousInactivehttps://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2022/02/photos-anti-war-protests-russia/622914/
Anti war protests in Russia
February 25, 2022 at 1:32 am #226971AnonymousInactiveGreg Palast analysis:
February 25, 2022 at 1:34 am #226972PJShannonKeymasterGiven the situation, and in lieu of any official EC statement as yet, I’ve taken the unilateral liberty of posting an extract from Aljo’s SOYMB blog post on the SPGB home page. It felt like the right thing to do in the circumstances but if that’s not ok with members please say so and I’ll restore the old page.
February 25, 2022 at 2:01 am #226973alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWSPUS have also published the statement on their website.
I have also submitted it to a couple of websites that usually publish articles by myself, and I await their approval.
It is at times as these requiring a speedy response that the blog serves a key purpose.
It would, however, be far better rather than just myself as the blogger penning a statement that it would be more appropriate if a more authoritative source was used.
How much better an impression if it cannot be the EC, that it is the Editorial Committee of the Socialist Standard signing off on a statement.
February 25, 2022 at 2:08 am #226974alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAustralia tries to widen the conflict by involving China
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-latest-updates-0224-303b0bfdc6148c8738d6ac0ca78142fd
February 25, 2022 at 2:13 am #226975alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe economic and banking sanctions
https://www.dw.com/en/explainer-how-severe-are-the-new-sanctions-on-russia/a-60908391
Alexandra Vacroux, executive director of the Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies at Harvard University, told DW, “Putin doesn’t care what the economic impact is of this invasion. It’s not going to stop him from doing what he’s planning on doing,” she argued.
“At the same time, you have to punish him somehow and if you’re not going to fight him with troops, you have to fight him in other ways. Economic levers are all we have. I’m not saying that you shouldn’t use them, but I am saying that they are not going to deter him from continuing to invade Ukraine.”
February 25, 2022 at 2:28 am #226976AnonymousInactiveI am working on a translation
PS What I do not like in that article is the expression wide-scale invasion, I do not think this is a full invasion, probably it is the initial phase of a full invasion
February 25, 2022 at 2:29 am #226977sshenfieldParticipantFrom the photos on the BBC website the anti-war demonstrations in Moscow and St. Petersburg seem quite big. As casualties mount and the coffins come back popular opposition will surely mount. This may be the issue that finally topples the Putin regime.
February 25, 2022 at 2:44 am #226978AnonymousInactivePuttin is playing a hard game which might bring his own defeat and probably the elimination of his regime, before this crisis there was ample discontent among the Russian workers and he was facing many economical and political problems, he has just open a can of worms. In order for him to carry a full invasion into Ukraine and face the Ukranian armed forces he might need a larger army and more hardwares, and that can be a called a full and large scale invasion.
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