Russian Tensions

[Thomas_More]

Collective madness intensifies.

[Thomas_More]

Ukraine racism.

[ALB]

Came across this anti-jingo musical hall song from the 1880s. Seems appropriate for today:

“I don’t want to fight. I’ll be slaughtered if I do!
I’ll change my togs and sell my kit and pop my rifle too!
I don’t like the war, I ain’t no Briton true,
And I’d let the Russians have Constantinople.”

Not a socialist view of course but a view that might spread when the austerity required to militarise Europe begins to bite.

[Thomas_More]

Can the Russia-US rapprochement hold, when Russia, China and Iran are discussing how to resist the US in the Persian Gulf, and when Trump is threatening to bomb Iran?

Allies in Ukraine, but enemies in Hormuz?

[Thomas_More]

UK and EU insanity even insane by capitalist standards.

[james19]

Afternoon, can l drop this here.l?
X love debate? Can you please join me in the conversation?
Hopefully, this user isn’t time wasting….
YFS

https://x.com/amincad/status/1905235892484354482?s=46

[Thomas_More]

Starmer and Macron STILL provoking Russia. What do they hope to achieve?

[h.moss@swansea.ac.uk]

‘Provoking Russia’
What does that mean?

[Thomas_More]

Repeating that they’ll send troops and jets, and set up their own nuke “shields.” Continuing to fund Ukraine and supply weapons, and imposing more sanctions.

And a British admiral saying the UK could incinerate 40 Russian cities.

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[h.moss@swansea.ac.uk]

If this is ‘provocation’, then what about the ‘provocation’ Ukraine has had from Russia since the day it was invaded and its inhabitants bombed to smithereens? As socialists, we just shouldn’t be taking sides in these conflicts or saying that one side or its supporters should do one thing or another.

[james19]

james19 wrote:

Afternoon, can l drop this here.l?
X on going live debate? Can you please join me in the conversation?
Hopefully, this user isn’t time wasting….
YFS

https://x.com/amincad/status/1905235892484354482?s=46

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Oops love* Didn’t even notice it…
I have blocked them now. Four lengthy replies, in a short space of time. Basically telling me whatever I say contradicts what anyone who makes up anything about Socialism is and must be true especially when it’s unscientific gibberish and nonsense.

• This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by james19.
• This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by james19.

[Thomas_More]

I’m not taking sides, but it is Starmer and the EU politicians who are dragging us into a nuclear war.

What of the conscientious objectors on both sides trying to hide while, in Ukraine, military thugs seize them on the streets at night? They are afraid to go out to buy food.

There is no doubt that NATO’s expansion led to this, and now it is Britain and France et al who are attempting to scupper the peace process. It was the UK that stopped Zelensky signing a deal in 2022 and since.

Of course, Russia’s workers should have sabotaged the war by a mass labour strike, and the Ukrainian workers should not have resisted, and would have been spared all this slaughter.

It is valid to ask you too if you are not taking sides. I cannot watch British news media at the moment because it is all war hysteria and russophobia.

[davecoggan]

No argument that socialists should take no sides in capitalist disputes and conflicts except to support the working class wherever they reside.
However, taking a geo-political stance for a moment, it denies reality to suggest that Russia wasn’t ‘provoked’ into initiating this conflict.
Some argue that it was the incursion of NATO nearer to the Russian borders that was the initial reason. More relevant is the treatment that Ukraine was meting out to the Russian speaking regions within Ukraine.
The Minsk agreements could have prevented the 2022 conflict.
Let’s not forget the role of Boris Johnson in persuading the Ukrainians to keep on fighting.
The EU and the UK do continue to ‘provoke’ Russia. Can’t let 800,000 Euros go to waste!
The conditions for dragging the world into a nuclear conflict haven’t gone away.
It’s not only the warmongering ‘leaders’ that need to be gotten rid of. It’s capitalism itself.

[robbo203]

Big Serge´s somewhat clinical analysis of the war.

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/ukraine-fighting-to-the-conclusion?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1068853&post_id=159755536&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=ql1uw&triedRedirect=true

He reckons this:

“I have never made any bones about my belief that the war in Ukraine will be resolved militarily: that is, it will be fought to its conclusion and end in the defeat of Ukraine in the east, Russian control of vast swathes of the country, and the subordination of a rump Ukraine to Russian interests.”

I sincerely hope it ends before then, and no more working class lives, on both sides, are lost in this stupid capitalist conflict

[Thomas_More]

And then it will be the US, China and Russia fighting over the Persian Gulf, and war with China in the Pacific to make us cold-sweat with fear.

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