Russian Tensions
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February 23, 2022 at 8:25 pm #226925AnonymousInactive
German and French sanctions tougher than US ones. They are falling over each other to lick NATO’s boots!
February 23, 2022 at 8:58 pm #226926robbo203ParticipantFebruary 23, 2022 at 9:07 pm #226927james19ParticipantUkraine crisis: English clubs should boycott Champions League final if in St Petersburg – Truss
The very thing Priti Patel called “gesture politics”.
Surely it should be keep politics out of sport? No gesture politics? Right?February 23, 2022 at 9:14 pm #226928AnonymousInactiveGermany doing the same. Really going gung ho, considering it has most to lose!
February 23, 2022 at 10:09 pm #226929ALBKeymasterAbenezer, read that link Robbo has just put up. It will answer some of your questions and maybe help assuage some of your concerns.
February 23, 2022 at 10:17 pm #226930Young Master SmeetModeratorConvinced that Nato will never reject Ukraine’s membership, Putin has now taken his own steps to block it. By invading Donetsk and Luhansk, he has created a “frozen conflict”, knowing the alliance cannot admit countries that don’t control all their borders. Frozen conflicts already cripple Georgia and Moldova, which are also split by pro-Russian statelets. Now Ukraine joins the list. There is speculation about what will happen next but from his standpoint, it is not actually necessary to send troops further into the country. He has already taken what he needs.
February 24, 2022 at 12:07 am #226932Bijou DrainsParticipantAC “as the average Brit blames foreigners for everything anyway.”
I think that is grossly unfair and a gross exaggeration, the majority of the people I meet in various people do not react in that way at all. The gobshites, the ones who hog the media and the social media may respond that way, however most of the people in workplaces and boozers that I meet have a pretty jaundiced view of what is going on in Eastern Europe.
The press would like us to think that Johnson has a whopping majority, whereas he in fact only has a plurality, he got 43.6% of votes on a 67.3% turnout. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the Little England movement.
Similarly the Brexit vote was 51.89% of 72.21% turnout. Given that a large proportion of vote leave were not blaming foreigners but tangled up in a variety of different viewpoints, it would be pretty hard to justify a view that average Brit is xenophobic.
The level of political sophistication in the world is much higher than we give people credit.
February 24, 2022 at 12:08 am #226933alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWhat aboutism?
February 24, 2022 at 1:05 am #226934alanjjohnstoneKeymasterSNP’s Sturgeon adds her voice for the banning of RT
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-60495467
February 24, 2022 at 1:07 am #226935AnonymousInactiveRussian President Vladimir Putin’s popularity is on the rise again, but conflict with Ukraine may eventually change that.
February 24, 2022 at 1:09 am #226936AnonymousInactiveBijou, do you live in a city?
I live in a backwater town. The people I meet are not cosmopolitans.
I try to avoid white British macho males, but unfortunately I don’t always succeed.
February 24, 2022 at 1:11 am #226937AnonymousInactiveWar tends to increase support for “the leader”, as hatred for the “enemy” is boosted as the killing gets under way and people call for revenge.
February 24, 2022 at 1:17 am #226938AnonymousInactiveYMS, what if Ukraine considers recognition of the statelets as a price worth paying for NATO membership within smaller borders. Then it could attack Crimea knowing that if Russia fights back, the rest of NATO joins in?
February 24, 2022 at 1:19 am #226939AnonymousInactiveBijou, those fed up with Bozo will vote for Starmer anyway, a louder NATOist.
February 24, 2022 at 1:20 am #226940AnonymousInactiveThanks ALB, I will.
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