Russian Tensions
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March 4, 2025 at 5:11 pm #257295
Roberto
ParticipantMy position is the same as your party’s: I am against all capitalist wars. And although I know that Trump’s reasons are not the same as mine, this fratricide must end. We know that as long as capitalism exists, wars will exist, but that does not mean we should be in favor of peace.
This is the problem here in the United States: now the issue is Trump, and we divert attention from the fact that the real problem is capitalism.
The ruling classes are not bothered when we individualize the system. What they would truly fear is if we said:
No more global capitalism!
March 4, 2025 at 5:33 pm #257298Thomas_More
Participant” but that does not mean we should be in favor of peace.” ?
This is obviously a mistake in English.
Every time Ukraine gets missiles and fires them into Russia we know Russian missiles will follow into Ukraine. How can those moaning about cutting weapons to Ukraine, or anywhere, can bring peace? Ukraine will never be able to end the war that way, just prolong it.
March 4, 2025 at 6:02 pm #257299Thomas_More
ParticipantEverywhere, all across Europe and the US, the workers and the Leftists are opposing Trump over Ukraine and supporting the Democrats and Britain in opposing a Trump/Putin peace.
The Left is in no way class conscious. It is still in thrall to the slogan of “national liberation.”
March 4, 2025 at 7:43 pm #257300robbo203
ParticipantZelensky screwed up and is now trying to make up. Makes you wonder how serious he is in his newfound commitment to “peace”
March 4, 2025 at 8:05 pm #257302Roberto
ParticipantI mean we should always be in favor of peace was my english is my second language …. sorry
March 4, 2025 at 8:14 pm #257303Roberto
Participanthttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/03/04/nbik-m04.html
This is a Trotsky group but some view points are like your organization.
March 4, 2025 at 8:30 pm #257304Thomas_More
ParticipantThat’s ok, Roberto.
March 4, 2025 at 9:24 pm #257305Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantWhoever place his/her in the fire of the capitalist class will get third degree burn, and many workers are burning their own hands supporting them
Capitalist will cheat bully and betray each other, After so much show, and spectacles, shouting against each other, the USA and Ukraine are going to sign the mineral agreement.
The best snake oil salesman won the prize and all the Oscars and Grammies
All of those dogs are salivating for the vast amount of money that represent those resources, whoever has more saliva will eat more bread.
Thousands of peoples has died in the Ukraine/Russia war and the capitalists got the best part of their own war. We are just a bunch of masochists
If the national borders are more important that the life of our children and others peoples life, wars will continue killing more human beings
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March 4, 2025 at 11:23 pm #257308Thomas_More
ParticipantWarmonger news.
March 5, 2025 at 8:52 pm #257321Thomas_More
Participanthttps://tass.com/world/1923043
Macron summoning army chiefs.
March 6, 2025 at 8:13 am #257323ALB
KeymasterThe new US administration is now admitting what has been obvious all along — that the Ukraine war has been a proxy war between the US and Russia. In other words, that the Ukrainian armed forces have been US proxies.
One contributor here described Trump as “maniacal”. But that’s not a rational, let alone a socialist, analysis. Even the capitalist press can do better than that. For instance, in yesterday’s Times, Roger Boyes, one of their war-mongering correspondents, has an article headed “Kiev is collateral in Trump’s showdown with Xi” and subtitled “US leader wants swift denouement in Ukraine so he can pivot to main business of his presidency”.
In the article Boyes argues that the Trump administration sees the war in Ukraine as a distraction and so is seeking some rapprochement with Russia, even in the hope that they can detach it from its alliance with China. This latter might not work (Boyes doesn’t think it will) but this at least shows that there is a logic, in terms of the US’s geostrategic interests, in what Trump is doing.
March 6, 2025 at 10:16 am #257324h.moss@swansea.ac.uk
ParticipantThe trouble with what Rubio and one of our contributors say is that it seeks to find some kind of rationality in the words and actions of the Trump adminstration, when it’s clear that, even from a capitalist point of view, what it’s doing and saying has no clear rationality or logic. As for Roger Boyes, well that seems largely the fervid imaginings of a journalist who needs to find something to write.
March 6, 2025 at 6:35 pm #257331Thomas_More
ParticipantFear drive in overload.
March 6, 2025 at 9:41 pm #257335Thomas_More
ParticipantIf discontent at social/welfare cuts spreads, the EU and UK could maybe use the russophobic hysteria they are fuelling to bring in martial law and maybe even stage an “incident” to provoke war for real, do you think?
March 6, 2025 at 9:51 pm #257336Thomas_More
ParticipantAn example of the type of “incidents” that could provide an excuse for EU/UK pre-emption.
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