Russian Tensions

April 2025 Forums General discussion Russian Tensions

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  • #257295
    Roberto
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    My position is the same as your party’s: I am against all capitalist wars. And although I know that Trump’s reasons are not the same as mine, this fratricide must end. We know that as long as capitalism exists, wars will exist, but that does not mean we should be in favor of peace.

    This is the problem here in the United States: now the issue is Trump, and we divert attention from the fact that the real problem is capitalism.

    The ruling classes are not bothered when we individualize the system. What they would truly fear is if we said:

    No more global capitalism!

    #257298
    Thomas_More
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    ” but that does not mean we should be in favor of peace.” ?

    This is obviously a mistake in English.

    Every time Ukraine gets missiles and fires them into Russia we know Russian missiles will follow into Ukraine. How can those moaning about cutting weapons to Ukraine, or anywhere, can bring peace? Ukraine will never be able to end the war that way, just prolong it.

    #257299
    Thomas_More
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    Everywhere, all across Europe and the US, the workers and the Leftists are opposing Trump over Ukraine and supporting the Democrats and Britain in opposing a Trump/Putin peace.

    The Left is in no way class conscious. It is still in thrall to the slogan of “national liberation.”

    #257300
    robbo203
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    #257302
    Roberto
    Participant

    I mean we should always be in favor of peace was my english is my second language …. sorry 😔

    #257303
    Roberto
    Participant

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/03/04/nbik-m04.html

    This is a Trotsky group but some view points are like your organization.

    #257304
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    That’s ok, Roberto.

    #257305
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    Whoever place his/her in the fire of the capitalist class will get third degree burn, and many workers are burning their own hands supporting them

    Capitalist will cheat bully and betray each other, After so much show, and spectacles, shouting against each other, the USA and Ukraine are going to sign the mineral agreement.

    The best snake oil salesman won the prize and all the Oscars and Grammies

    All of those dogs are salivating for the vast amount of money that represent those resources, whoever has more saliva will eat more bread.

    Thousands of peoples has died in the Ukraine/Russia war and the capitalists got the best part of their own war. We are just a bunch of masochists

    If the national borders are more important that the life of our children and others peoples life, wars will continue killing more human beings

    #257308
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Warmonger news.

    #257321
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    https://tass.com/world/1923043

    Macron summoning army chiefs.

    #257323
    ALB
    Keymaster

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/rubio-calls-ukraine-conflict-a-us-russia-proxy-war-urges-end-to-fighting/3501276#

    The new US administration is now admitting what has been obvious all along — that the Ukraine war has been a proxy war between the US and Russia. In other words, that the Ukrainian armed forces have been US proxies.

    One contributor here described Trump as “maniacal”. But that’s not a rational, let alone a socialist, analysis. Even the capitalist press can do better than that. For instance, in yesterday’s Times, Roger Boyes, one of their war-mongering correspondents, has an article headed “Kiev is collateral in Trump’s showdown with Xi” and subtitled “US leader wants swift denouement in Ukraine so he can pivot to main business of his presidency”.

    In the article Boyes argues that the Trump administration sees the war in Ukraine as a distraction and so is seeking some rapprochement with Russia, even in the hope that they can detach it from its alliance with China. This latter might not work (Boyes doesn’t think it will) but this at least shows that there is a logic, in terms of the US’s geostrategic interests, in what Trump is doing.

    #257324

    The trouble with what Rubio and one of our contributors say is that it seeks to find some kind of rationality in the words and actions of the Trump adminstration, when it’s clear that, even from a capitalist point of view, what it’s doing and saying has no clear rationality or logic. As for Roger Boyes, well that seems largely the fervid imaginings of a journalist who needs to find something to write.

    #257331
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Fear drive in overload.

    #257335
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    If discontent at social/welfare cuts spreads, the EU and UK could maybe use the russophobic hysteria they are fuelling to bring in martial law and maybe even stage an “incident” to provoke war for real, do you think?

    #257336
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    An example of the type of “incidents” that could provide an excuse for EU/UK pre-emption.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/romania-detains-plotting-coup-collusion-russia-rcna195155?icid=recommended

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