Russian Tensions
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March 3, 2025 at 8:18 pm #257268
Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantThis is an inter-imperialists conflict, and it does show that there is a big crack between the Western Powers and the US capitalist class, and Ukraine is in the middle of this conflict due to the vast amount of natural resources that it possess, and all of them want to take possession of all of those resources which are needed for their modern industrial production
The conflict also falls within the interest of the Chinese capitalists which is the main enemy of the USA ruling class, and for them it is much better to have an alliance with Russia than Russia making an alliance with China, like in the old days the US/Western powers made an alliance with the Soviet Union against Germany, and the USA made an alliance with China and Mao Tse Tung against the Soviet Union . Capitalists power always have made temporary alliances
The USA is desperate fighting for its single world hegemony ( a multipolar world has always existed included the period when the Soviet Union imploded) which is in rapid decline around the whole world, even more, it is losing its grip in its own backyard which is Latin America and several countries are moving themselves toward the umbrella of China, and china is becoming the second trade partner, and there are prediction that it can become the number one trade partner, and besides consumers goods, china is also providing loans, building infrastructure and military weapons, and they are obtaining minerals, rare earth, petroleum, commercial routes and spheres of influences, and some of those countries have become members of the BRICS coalition. Two points of view about this conflicts :
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/03/01/ltfs-m01.html–
https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2025-02-24/imperialist-tensions-are-heating-up-the-arctic
https://www.politico.eu/article/critical-minerals-rare-earths-deal-eu-not-donald-trump/
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PS: Donald Trump has said that the USA has provided more than 350 billions to Ukraine which is just a lie, the USA has provided around 119 billions in military hardware which must be paid back, and the European Union has provided more military aid than the USA, and they are playing the victim card, when they are the biggest thief that has existed over the earth along with the British empire-
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March 3, 2025 at 8:36 pm #257271Roberto
ParticipantCiudadano del Mundo :
I do agree with you Completely!!!
Is not surprised….
AménMarch 3, 2025 at 9:24 pm #257272Thomas_More
ParticipantHow can Putin possibly agree to a Ukraine still being supplied with weaponry and turned into an armed camp against Russia? Surely that’s no different than a NATO state?
The whole purpose of a buffer state is that it should be neutral, isn’t it?
March 4, 2025 at 12:18 am #257273Roberto
ParticipantI think Putin will not accept having a European army.
March 4, 2025 at 12:24 am #257274Thomas_More
ParticipantStarmer must know that. What is he playing at?
March 4, 2025 at 7:54 am #257276ALB
KeymasterAt being a headless chicken.
March 4, 2025 at 10:12 am #257277h.moss@swansea.ac.uk
ParticipantI perceive glee in Trump’s actions among some comrades. Not good.
March 4, 2025 at 11:09 am #257278Roberto
ParticipantWhat would be the party’s position on Trump’s peace proposal?
March 4, 2025 at 11:40 am #257279ALB
KeymasterIn saying that the war could have been avoided Trump has virtually admitted that it was provoked by the actions of previous US administrations who pursued the policy of expanding NATO right up to the frontiers of ex-USSR Russia. The expansion to include Ukraine turned out to be an expansion too far.
The alternative explanation that the war was caused simply by a mad dictator bent on expanding his domain has been shown to wrong and those who accepted it have been left with egg on their face.
March 4, 2025 at 11:45 am #257280ALB
KeymasterWhat would be the party’s position on Trump’s peace proposal
Our general position is set out in the opening paragraph of the editorial in this month’s Socialist Standard
Hopefully the war in Ukraine will end quickly. Ideally, it should end immediately and unconditionally — in the interest of humanity in general and the working class in particular, the killing and destruction should just stop .
As we said in our manifesto issued in June 1917 during the first world slaughter:
Every Socialist must, therefore, wish to see peace established at once to save further maiming and slaughter of our fellow Workers. All those who on any pretext, or for any supposed reason, wish the war to continue, at once stamp themselves as anti-Socialist, anti-working class, and pro-capitalist.
March 4, 2025 at 11:58 am #257281Roberto
ParticipantThat’s a position too!
March 4, 2025 at 4:04 pm #257283Thomas_More
Participant“I perceive glee in Trump’s actions among some comrades. Not good.”
Anything that stops the war has got to be good, although we know Trump’s priorities are not ours.
March 4, 2025 at 4:46 pm #257290h.moss@swansea.ac.uk
Participant‘In saying that the war could have been avoided Trump has virtually admitted that it was provoked by the actions of previous US administrations who pursued the policy of expanding NATO right up to the frontiers of ex-USSR Russia. The expansion to include Ukraine turned out to be an expansion too far.
The alternative explanation that the war was caused simply by a mad dictator bent on expanding his domain has been shown to wrong and those who accepted it have been left with egg on their face.’
But this is to lend credence to the analysis and actions of the maniacal leader that is Trump.
March 4, 2025 at 4:57 pm #257293Thomas_More
ParticipantIt is surely known before Trump came on the scene that NATO expansion was the issue for Russia. It has nothing to do with Trump saying so. We already knew it.
March 4, 2025 at 4:58 pm #257294robbo203
ParticipantAnything that stops the war has got to be good, although we know Trump’s priorities are not ours.
…………………………………..Absolutely, spot on.
Surely we wouldn’t want to be seen in any way to be inadvertently supporting contemptible warmongers like Starmer with his pathetic attempts at macho posturing.
Of course we are equally hostile to the likes of Trump but we cannot possibly be hostile to any moves that are ostensibly aimed at bringing about a cessation of the war – even if such a move was initiated by Trump. You have to separate the aim from the actor or person in question.
I hope this action leads on to the complete collapse of NATO. That warmongering, aggressive, expansionist entity must take the lion´s share of the blame for the present situation. Had it not lied to Gorbachev and kept its promise not to move eastward in the 1990s, we would not have this horrible situation we are in now
See this:
It was an utterly stupid strategy on NATO´s part with hindsight and totally unnecessary even from a capitalist viewpoint. Not in any way to defend the Putin regime, but we must remember how the American regime kicked up such a fuss in the 60s when the Russians under Kruschev sent nuclear missiles to Cuba in America´s backyard
Do they seriously imagine that the present Russian regime would sit back and do nothing if Ukraine were to become part of NATO with missiles sited on its territory within easy striking range of Moscow. C´mon…..
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