Russian Tensions
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February 20, 2025 at 6:04 pm #257017
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ParticipantThere shouldn’t be any surprise regarding Sanders’ views on the Russo-Ukrainian War; he’s just the left of capital after all. He had similarly supported Israel’s “right to defend itself” following the 7 October Attacks, ignoring how Israel had already successfully repelled the attacks and how bombing Gazans to bits in fact did little to “protect” Israel. (The Israeli right’s policies are really the biggest security threat to Israel owing to how they’re merely creating resentment among Palestinians/Arabs and contributing to cycles of violence; Israel is its own biggest security threat.) Only later did Sanders actually begin condemning Israel’s bombing of Gaza and its ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
Like other Western leftists, he likes to think that Putin has “imperial ambitions” and wants to resurrect the Russian Empire before conquering all of Europe, without providing any actual evidence to back any of these claims up. Putin’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine was abhorrent, but there were pretty concrete reasons for his opposition to the post-Maidan government, none of which have anything to do with supposedly wanting to “resurrect the Russian Empire” or “conquer Europe.” Russia’s annexation of Crimea in 2014, for example, was mostly motivated by a fear of Russia losing access to Sevastopol following the 2014 Maidan Coup and the rise of an openly Russo-phobic government in Kiev. The 2022 Invasion was similarly sparked by the Russo-phobic policies of the post-Maidan government (e.g. its push to join NATO and persecution of Russian speakers) together with years of NATO expansion up to the borders of Russia, contrary to what the US had promised Russia during the dissolution of the Soviet Union; it had little to do with Putin’s so-called imperial ambitions or his desire to “conquer Ukraine and Europe.” NATO itself had also originally been aimed at the Soviet Union during the Cold War and should have dissolved following the dissolution of the Soviet Union (and preferably should have never existed in the first place), so Russians’ concerns over such a “security” alliance that is directed at them again are not without some legitimacy.
February 21, 2025 at 7:21 pm #257038robbo203
ParticipantIt’s curious but don’t you get the impression that MSM is becoming more and more overt about the actual economic motives behind this war? In particular Ukraine´s mineral resources
February 22, 2025 at 2:50 pm #257050Thomas_More
ParticipantWe see today workers marching in London against peace and for more “defence” spending. No doubt many lefties are there, showing support for Krieg Starmer in Ukraine.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/02/21/starmer-to-defy-trump-with-new-aid-for-ukraine/
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February 22, 2025 at 3:40 pm #257053Thomas_More
ParticipantThe earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.
Chief Seattle.
February 22, 2025 at 6:11 pm #257055ALB
KeymasterThere are doubts about the authenticity of this speech:
https://www.humanecologyreview.org/pastissues/her71/71abruzzi.pdf
February 24, 2025 at 1:26 pm #257076Thomas_More
ParticipantKrieg Starmer is still waving the rag, with the rest of them.
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February 24, 2025 at 3:08 pm #257091Thomas_More
ParticipantSpanish PM unwittingly put it that Ukraine and Europe must also be implicated
in any decisions.
February 25, 2025 at 1:08 pm #257129Thomas_More
ParticipantAs Mr. Punch (Krieg Starmer) struts in parliament today, playing his toy soldiers. He had better quickly switch to his grovelling outfit ahead of his reporting to the new boss in the White House.
February 25, 2025 at 4:33 pm #257131robbo203
ParticipantMore on minerals. Putin & Trump go into business together LOL
February 25, 2025 at 5:57 pm #257149ALB
KeymasterYes, Starmer seems determined to keep the war going in the hope that Ukraine will eventually be in a better bargaining position. Evidently he doesn’t care how many people die and how much infrastructure is destroyed in the meantime. What a cynical bastard but that’s the sort of dirty work you must do if you assume responsibility for being in power under capitalism.
February 25, 2025 at 6:36 pm #257154james19
ParticipantThis from the Daily Mirror.
Zelensky reveals next five countries on Putin’s hit list if Ukraine falls
I read this in the comments section:
“We could equally name the next 5 Bugatti cars Zelenskys wife will buy – does not mean she will buy them’.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/zelensky-reveals-next-five-countries-34742573
February 25, 2025 at 6:38 pm #257155Thomas_More
ParticipantFebruary 25, 2025 at 6:47 pm #257156Thomas_More
Participant“Test of Strength”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20k0yr6vn9o
Or rather:
Kyiv Starmer Goes To Washington
(Coming to a movie theater near you soon)https://images.app.goo.gl/54Qow5AVxKSYWhc39
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February 25, 2025 at 7:10 pm #257159Thomas_More
ParticipantIs this from the 18th Brumaire?
History repeats itself: first as a tragedy and then as a farce.
February 25, 2025 at 7:38 pm #257160robbo203
ParticipantOn the difficulty of pinning down what exactly Trump’s plans are for Ukraine…
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