Russian Tensions
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June 10, 2024 at 5:11 am #252477
L.B. Neill
ParticipantFantasy is a great escape in this and any age.
I have returned to reading Ken Macleod: Corporation Wars.
When I return to the reality of my lived existence: the nations are still blowing the shit out of civilians.
We need light. The shadow is too oppressive.
Be safe,
L.B.June 10, 2024 at 4:20 pm #252508robbo203
Participant“(Lindsey) Graham stressed that helping Ukraine in its fight against Russia could also have strategic economic benefits for the U.S. and Western countries.
“They’re sitting on 10-12 trillion dollars of critical minerals in Ukraine. They could be the richest country in all of Europe. We don’t want to give that money and assets to Putin to share with China,” he told Brennan on Sunday.”June 10, 2024 at 9:26 pm #252520Thomas_More
ParticipantBut couldn’t they keep the bulk of Ukraine and its minerals by agreeing with Putin to partition, leaving him the east and coast he has annexed?
June 10, 2024 at 11:21 pm #252521Bijou Drains
ParticipantFrom what I understand (and am happy to be corrected) most of the mineral wealth is in the Eastern side of the Ukraine.
June 11, 2024 at 12:42 am #252522Thomas_More
ParticipantSo ALB is wrong when he says a deal will be reached, leaving Russia its war gains?
June 11, 2024 at 10:26 am #252526ALB
KeymasterOf course there can and will be a deal in the end. What do you make of this:
June 11, 2024 at 11:59 am #252530Thomas_More
ParticipantVery interesting.
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June 13, 2024 at 7:18 am #252560ALB
KeymasterRussian warships in the Caribbean, riposte to US giving Ukraine permission to use US weapons to bomb the border area with Russia?
June 13, 2024 at 8:44 pm #252583Thomas_More
ParticipantHow does this tally with not expecting Russia to withdraw?
June 13, 2024 at 10:19 pm #252584Bijou Drains
ParticipantWhen you’re playing poker you need to look confident, even if you’ve got a shit hand. The same goes for both sides.
June 15, 2024 at 10:38 pm #252610ALB
KeymasterThere’s some revealing stuff here about past negotiations to end the war:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html
June 20, 2024 at 6:12 am #252679Thomas_More
ParticipantAnd more environmental disaster.
June 22, 2024 at 7:51 am #252743ALB
Keymaster“For many international diplomats, the path towards a ceasefire is clear. ‘It’s devastatingly obvious how this war will end,’ says one former western senior statesman who travels frequently to Kyiv. ‘Ceasefire along the line of control, plus security guarantees for Kyiv short of full Nato membership. No formal ceding of territory. Ukraine becomes like Cyprus – an EU member which does not recognise that it’s been partitioned.’”
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/zelenskys-peace-summit-flop/
June 23, 2024 at 8:30 am #252756ALB
KeymasterIn a link given by ZJW on the general election thread there is mention of this — the arrest of a Trotskyist in Ukraine and the banning of the Trotskyist website WSWS:
https://www.racket.news/p/ukraine-detains-socialist-writer
OK, an organisation called “Young Guard of Bolshevik Leninists” doesn’t sound appealing. At all. But it seems they have fallen foul of a law that makes it a crime to advocate negotiations with Russia
In any event, it just shows how repressive is the Ukrainian regime.
July 14, 2024 at 7:10 pm #253127Thomas_More
ParticipantNow that Trump is bound to win, after recent events, how do we see the Ukraine situation, and the NATO build-up in Europe, panning out?
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