Russian Tensions

July 2024 Forums General discussion Russian Tensions

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  • #245209
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Yes, Borys has played a particularly sinister role in this war, rushing to Kiev in April 2002 Zelensky to order on behalf of NATO to break off discussions with Russia on a peace deal, with the promise that if he did NATO would supply enough arms for Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian. And of course it is not at all surprising that he considers it no problem to ignore an international treaty.

    He fancies himself as a latter-day Churchill. He may well turn out to be because the current Ukrainian offensive seems to have a similarity with Churchill’s disastrous Gallipoli campaign during the first world slaughter.

    #245210
    Bijou Drains
    Participant

    ALB – “He fancies himself as a latter-day Churchill. He may well turn out to be because the current Ukrainian offensive seems to have a similarity with Churchill’s disastrous Gallipoli campaign during the first world slaughter.”

    From the Eighteenth Brumaire – “Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce”.

    Churchill had large elements of tragedy, Bojo has all the elements of farce.

    #245217
    robbo203
    Participant

    I know it’s the Daily Express and therefore not be trusted but does anyone know any more about this – the Ukrainian military firing off British Storm Shadow missiles at the Desnogorsk nuclear power station in Smolensk region?

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-puppet-vows-to-unleash-nuclear-hell-in-ukraine-and-europe-after-strikes/ar-AA1dEAxA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d048fe5a9c404eef97e1ddd080b4ddf3&ei=10

    #245219
    davecoggan
    Participant

    Attack on Smolensk NPP may be retaliated by strike on nuke facilities in Europe – Medvedev

    Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council added that Russia may hit nuclear facilities in Eastern Europe
    MOSCOW, July 9. /TASS/. Russia may hit nuclear facilities in Eastern Europe if an attempted attack on the Smolensk Nuclear Power Plant with NATO missiles is confirmed, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev said on Sunday.

    “If an attempted attack on the Smolensk (Desnogorsk) NPP with NATO missiles is confirmed, it will be necessary to look at a scenario of Russia’s simultaneous strike on the South Ukraine NPP, Rovno NPP, and Khmelnitsky NPP, and on nuclear facilities in Eastern Europe. There is nothing to be embarrassed about,” he wrote on his Telegram channel.

    According to posts on several Telegram channel earlier on Sunday, Ukrainian troops tried to stage a missile attack on the Smolensk Nuclear Power Plant.

    The nuclear plant, a subsidiary of Rosenergoatom nuclear power engineering company, is located three kilometers from the city of Desnogorsk in the Smolensk Region and some 150 kilometers from the city of Smolensk.

    The nuclear plant said on its Telegram channel that its two power units are operating routinely, while the third unit is under scheduled repairs.

    TASS 9 July

    #245316
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    https://apnews.com/article/south-africa-ramaphosa-putin-arrest-warrant-c62b4be0fd177d827214199cb60db98f?user_email=82ff287d92f76860b2a54b6fd8b935aa0840481d11b817004e6627d1debef4ff&utm_medium=Morning_Wire&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_campaign=MorningWire_July19_2023&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers

    JOHANNESBURG (AP) — South Africa’s president said Tuesday that arresting Russian President Vladimir Putin — should he show up at an economic summit next month in Johannesburg — would amount to a “declaration of war” by his country.

    The August summit is bringing together Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa — a bloc of developing economies known as BRICS. Officials have said that Putin wants to attend the gathering but have been trying to persuade him to stay away to avoid the legal and diplomatic fallout over his international arrest warrant.

    Putin is the subject of a warrant of arrest by the International Criminal Court related to alleged war crimes during Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. As a signatory to the Rome Statute that established the ICC, South Africa would be obligated to arrest Putin if he visits the African nation.

    #245346
    robbo203
    Participant

    An interesting article on Ukraine´s dilemma.

    Biden’s Ukraine Blackmail

    It looks very much like its so-called counter-offensive has stalled. It’s not going to get anywhere with this despite NATO assistance. Nor is it going to be allowed to join NATO for the duration of the war and NATO has no desire to get directly involved. Yet the Ukrainian regime has vowed to take back Crimea and Donbass

    This is a recipe for the long-term grinding down and impending implosion of the Ukrainian state. Who knows? Perhaps elements in the government will step in and remove Zelensky as a hindrance to what increasingly looks like the only viable option – the partition of Ukraine more or less along the lines that exist today.

    At any rate, nothing more clearly demonstrates the stupidity of nationalism on both sides of this pointless conflict from the standpoint of working-class interests

    #245361
    robbo203
    Participant

    One of the appalling consequences of this stupid senseless war

    “An area of Ukraine approximately the size of Florida is now riddled with land mines, which could take hundreds of years to reverse: report”

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-land-mines-757-years-reversal-russian-military-counteroffensive-deminer-2023-7

    #245362
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It was also done in Nicaragua by the USA but the leftists haven’t said anything about Rusia and some of them approve Putin war The government of Nicaragua, cuba and Venezuela support Putin

    #245366
    paula.mcewan
    Moderator

    I can’t help wondering what the Ukrainian population have to say about this war. Nobody asked them – there was no vote, or referendum- they simply got war. And all the men got conscripted- there was no freedom of choice. What kind of war is it, when men are forced upon pain of death, to fight.

    We are fed propaganda that Ukrainians want this war (to defend what exactly?).

    If I was Ukrainian, I would want the war to end, I would want men returned from the front line and I would surrender. I couldn’t care less if Putin or Zelenskyy ruled.

    The only people benefiting right now from this war are the arms manufacturers and the only people dying are the people of Ukraine and Russian conscripts/mercenaries/army – who are also people just like us.

    I want to wake up one day soon and hear on the news that Zelenskyy has removed himself, Ukrainians have the vote, and conscription has ended.

    Paula

    #245372
    Lizzie45
    Blocked

    “An area of Ukraine approximately the size of Florida is now riddled with land mines, which could take hundreds of years to reverse: report”

    There was this rather unfortunate comment when Princess Diana was in Angola on her landmine campaign.

    The thing about mine fields is that they’re very easy to lay, but they’re very difficult and dangerous, and even expensive to get rid of…

    Perfect description of Charles’ first marriage 🙂

    • This reply was modified 12 months ago by Lizzie45.
    #245374
    davecoggan
    Participant

    https://reliefweb.int/report/world/clearing-mines-2020
    Clearing the Mines 2020
    A sobering read.
    I want to wake up sooner rather than later to find that Socialism is sweeping the world.

    #245383
    ALB
    Keymaster
    #245384
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    In regard to land mines. Millions of them have been planted in Iraq, and children are killed or losing parts of their body. This horrendous economical system and the capitalists will do anything to obtain natural resources

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/gallery/2017/sep/08/iraq-killing-fields-lethal-legacy-landmines-in-pictures

    There are still thousands of sea mines in the ocean and frequently they kill fishermen

    #245388
    paula.mcewan
    Moderator

    The suffering is horrendous it’s outrageous what can we do except scream and shout in pain and revolt

    #245393
    davecoggan
    Participant

    Who can forget the photograph, an iconic image, of
    Phan Thị Kim Phúc the nine-year-old child taken at Trảng Bàng during the Vietnam War on June 8, 1972.
    She was running down the road after being caught up in a napalm attack carried out by the South Vietnam Air Force, She was severely burned.
    Nixon apparently questioned the authenticity of the photograph. This image, once seen, cannot be forgotten. There are probably many more pictures that show the horrors of war, for e.g. Hiroshima, concentration camps, First World War battlefields, add your own, but this one is particularly gut wrenching.
    Was the Vietnam War the most photographed and photo published of any?
    Despite this, and other images, the impact is what?
    The images shown on social media of the Uk/Rus conflict are more like ones from a video game.
    Long distance images of equipment and humans being blown up do not seem to have the same impact.
    For emotional force should we mention Guernica (Picasso) too?

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