Russian Tensions
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April 8, 2023 at 10:19 am #242265TrueScotsmanBlocked
“From the sounds of it, Bakhmut has fallen”
Don’t tell Knobbo, All-in or Bojo’s Brain, they’ll each have a stroke. They still think it’s 1916.
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April 8, 2023 at 11:47 am #242269robbo203Participant“Don’t tell Knobbo, All-in or Bojo’s Brain, they’ll each have a stroke. They still think it’s 1916.”
Take a hike you dreary bore
April 8, 2023 at 11:59 am #242271robbo203ParticipantThe utter stupidity and sheer waste and destruction of this inter-capitalist war between rival imperialist blocs continues to astound me. This site has some interesting information
“Wars have been fought and lost for access to energy, be it in the form of resources such as fossil fuels, or control of strategic industries like metallurgy, or agricultural lands. For example, oil may not have been the reason for the Iraq war, but it sure was a reason, and a major one.
The hunger for Ukraine’s resources
To feed the motor of continuous economic expansion, countries need ever more resources. Ukraine is one of the world’s most resource-rich countries. The Donbas and Mariupol regions alone contain in ‘commercially viable quantities’, a large majority of the most used minerals and metals in today’s economies.A part of the 3 to 11.5 trillion dollars worth of resources in Ukraine is now under Russian boots. This includes elements such as tantalum and niobium that are used for green(er) technologies as well as aviation, transportation and construction. As the amounts of elements like tantalum and niobium are state secrets, it is hard to estimate how much of it is now in Russian hands, but these materials are found in Donetsk and south of Zaporizhzhia, which are occupied by Putin’s invading army.”
April 9, 2023 at 3:51 am #242284TrueScotsmanBlocked“Wars have been fought and lost for access to energy”
Minsk 2. Your article is bullshit. Moron.
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April 9, 2023 at 5:57 am #242285robbo203ParticipantGood to see others opposing this brutal capitalist war….
“No War but the Class War: Statement from NWBCW Miami”
“….Likewise, the scattered anti-war actions that have been reported so far—protests in Russia, soldiers disobeying their orders in Ukraine, refusals to handle shipments by dockers in the UK and Italy, sabotage by railway workers in Belarus—need to take on an autonomous working-class perspective to be truly anti-war, otherwise, they will be ripe for manipulation by one of the warring capitalist powers. Support for Russia or Ukraine in this conflict means support for war. The only way to end this nightmare is not for workers to line up on one side of it, but to fraternize across borders to bring down the war machine.
This is why we say, emphatically: no war but the class war! The ruling classes are already waging their war on us and the planet. If they want more war and bloodletting, let them march on the battlefields themselves, rifles in hand, and fight it out amongst themselves. The working people of the world must not allow ourselves to become cannon fodder for their wars. Rather, it is up to us—the great majority without whom everything grinds to a halt—to stop our rulers’ war plans and create the alternative.”
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April 11, 2023 at 7:52 am #242314TrueScotsmanBlockedStill think NATO isn’t being demilitarised? Don’t answer that, you’re all too stupid to think for yourselves. If the Guardian ain’t saying it it ain’t happening, am I right? Lol
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-leak-biopsy
- This reply was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by TrueScotsman.
April 11, 2023 at 8:32 am #242316robbo203ParticipantStill think NATO isn’t being demilitarised? Don’t answer that, you’re all too stupid to think for yourselves. If the Guardian ain’t saying it it ain’t happening, am I right? Lol
————–Nobody here gives a stuff what you think, TS, or perhaps you are too stupid not to have twigged that yet. We don’t give stuff which side is “winning” or which is being “demilitarized”. Apart from the arms manufacturers and the coffin makers, perhaps, nobody wins in a war – least of all the working class who have been dragooned into fighting on one or other side of this capitalist conflict between two rival imperialist blocs on the made-up pretexts that are fighting “Ukrainian fascism” or, alternatively, “Russian fascism” (as many Ukrainians see it).
So you can stick your sick sociopathic pro-nationalist pro-capitalist views somewhere where the sun doesn’t shine as far as I am concerned and crawl back under whatever rock you came from….
April 11, 2023 at 10:42 am #242320TrueScotsmanBlocked360,000 dead Ukrainian troops. (5:30)
April 11, 2023 at 10:44 am #242321TrueScotsmanBlockedStill think NATO isn’t being demilitarised? Don’t answer that, you’re all too stupid to think for yourselves. If the Guardian ain’t saying it it ain’t happening, am I right? Lol
————–Nobody here gives a stuff what you think, TS, or perhaps you are too stupid not to have twigged that yet. We don’t give stuff which side is “winning” or which is being “demilitarized”. Apart from the arms manufacturers and the coffin makers, perhaps, nobody wins in a war – least of all the working class who have been dragooned into fighting on one or other side of this capitalist conflict between two rival imperialist blocs on the made-up pretexts that are fighting “Ukrainian fascism” or, alternatively, “Russian fascism” (as many Ukrainians see it).
So you can stick your sick sociopathic pro-nationalist pro-capitalist views somewhere where the sun doesn’t shine as far as I am concerned and crawl back under whatever rock you came from….
Hahahaahahahaahahahaahahhahahah. Lol
April 11, 2023 at 11:05 am #242322chelmsfordParticipantThat last h doesn’t have an a on it. Berk. Otherwise it’s a devastating response.
April 11, 2023 at 11:33 am #242323TrueScotsmanBlocked“That last h doesn’t have an a on it. Berk. Otherwise it’s a devastating response.”
Aren’t clowns supposed to be laughed at?
April 11, 2023 at 1:23 pm #242324Lizzie45BlockedSo you can stick your sick sociopathic pro-nationalist pro-capitalist views somewhere where the sun doesn’t shine as far as I am concerned and crawl back under whatever rock you came from….
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April 11, 2023 at 1:25 pm #242325Lizzie45BlockedThat last h doesn’t have an a on it. Berk. Otherwise it’s a devastating response.
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April 11, 2023 at 2:35 pm #242328robbo203Participant7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.
lizzie45
Is this some kind of joke? If you want to get rid of the trolling get rid of the source of the problem and we all know who that is don’t we? But at least you’ve shown your true colours as a hypocrite by selectively excluding that person´s constant trolling from your feeble attempt at a joke…
April 11, 2023 at 3:20 pm #242330Young Master SmeetModeratorI think the ‘leaks’ need to be taken with more than a pinch of salt, the possibility of disinfo permeates the Russia propaganda reaction.
I notice that the substantive fall of Bakhmut has had zero coverage in both Western and Russian media: OK, there is still fighting in the city. There is a point though that apparently Russia needs to win in Bakhmut before any Ukrainian counter offensive (plausibly why they’ve put so many resources into continuing to hold it.
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