Russian Tensions
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February 19, 2022 at 7:31 am #226695alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
Biden was asked his reaction to the fact Putin was reportedly planning to spend the weekend overseeing nuclear drills.
“How do you see that happening? What’s your reaction to that sir,”
“Well, I don’t think he is remotely contemplating using nuclear weapons,” said Biden.
While Blinken suggests Putin could contemplate the use of chemical weapons. He claimed Russia could begin by implementing plans to “manufacture a pretext for its attack”.
“It could be a fabricated so-called terrorist bombing inside Russia, the invented discovery of a mass grave, a staged drone strike against civilians, or a fake — even a real attack — using chemical weapons”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/biden-putin-ukraine-nuclear-chemical-b2018629.html
February 19, 2022 at 9:17 am #226696ALBKeymaster“It comes just a day after the UK and US accused Russia of using false flag tactics to set a pretext for its potential invasion of Ukraine. Boris Johnson said western nations “knew” this was happening after an attack yesterday on a nursery in Donbas – another rebel-held area.”
Why are they still saying that the attack on that nursery was a Russian false flag operation? It was situated in the Donbas area but in territory controlled by Ukrainian forces. So if it was a false flag it would have had to be by them. In fact, it seems to have been a “true flag” operation by Russian proxy forces. That it came from them has been demonstrated by the Belling Cat lot.
So Johnson was either lying or didn’t know what he was talking about. But he of course has a PhD in Lyology (comes in handy during the fog of war).
February 19, 2022 at 11:42 am #226697AnonymousInactiveFebruary 19, 2022 at 11:57 am #226698AnonymousInactiveFebruary 19, 2022 at 3:06 pm #226699ALBKeymasterI must confess to being a bit surprised at the intransigence of the US-led NATO bloc and its determination to consolidate its hold on Ukraine even at the risk of provoking an economic crisis in Europe, though I can see why the US and its poodle, Brexit Britain, are not so worried about this since neither are dependent on gas supplies from Russia.
But of course we don’t know what secret talks are going on behind closed doors. But the search for a diplomatic solution seems to be shifting towards the Minsk Protocol which has never been fully implemented and which concerned the breakaway areas in eastern Ukraine. I notice it was negotiated by Germany and France who can be expected to be pushing this as a way out.
More here.
February 19, 2022 at 3:15 pm #226700alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWho picks these negotiation locations?
Munich !!!
Hasn’t it got a bad enough reputation for appeasement already?
February 19, 2022 at 3:21 pm #226701AnonymousInactiveIt does look more like Putin will invade, in spite of all protestations to the contrary by Russia.
February 19, 2022 at 3:22 pm #226702AnonymousInactiveOn the contrary, the USA can provide gas to Europe
February 19, 2022 at 3:28 pm #226703AnonymousInactiveScholz also cheesed off with Putin now.
February 19, 2022 at 3:38 pm #226704alanjjohnstoneKeymasterI’m curious about who is winning the propaganda war.
They can hold opinion polls about anything very quickly, but I’ve not seen anything produced about the British public, or European or American attitudes to the Ukraine stand-off.
Has anybody seen anything to show what people are thinking?
February 19, 2022 at 4:04 pm #226705AnonymousInactive
What do Americans think about the crisis in UkraineFebruary 19, 2022 at 4:19 pm #226706ALBKeymasterHasn’t it got a bad enough reputation for appeasement already?
What’s wrong with appeasement? Surely, the socialist movement being so small and ineffective, this is the best outcome we can expect under capitalism? Anything but war. Better anything than the shedding of a single drop of working class blood.
February 19, 2022 at 4:33 pm #226707WezParticipant‘What’s wrong with appeasement? Surely, the socialist movement being so small and ineffective, this is the best outcome we can expect under capitalism? Anything but war. Better anything than the shedding of a single drop of working class blood.’
Exactly – who cares which parasitic class claims to own which patch of mud?
February 19, 2022 at 5:25 pm #226708alanjjohnstoneKeymasterIn my own defence, I have already made a similar statement in message #226693
“no patch of ground, whether it is the Ukrainian nation or the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, is worth the sacrifice of fellow workers’ lives.”
I merely refer to the lack of any sense of irony on behalf of diplomats in choosing Munich as the place to discuss carving up a nation in 1938 it was Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia, and in message #226308 I cited the SPGB responses to Chamberlain-Hitler agreement.
“What does it matter to the British capitalist class whether the Czechs are independent or incorporated in Germany?”
“The attitude of the Labour Party, the Communist Party, and others of like views, relating to the position of the Czechs, is due partly to fright, which has developed an acute attack of anti-Fascitus. They are prepared to see cities littered with the corpses of hundreds of thousands of working men, women and children, for what? To prevent what would be in the main merely a change of rulers.”
I then added
Unlike others, we are more than willing to conceive of Ukraine losing its “independence” if it means that our Ukrainian fellow-workers and Rissian Donbas fellow-workers are not sacrificed for such spurious concepts as “democracy” and “freedom”.
But I’m sure the media won’t forget the history if the Russian’s march in ignoring whatever Munich statement is finalised.
February 19, 2022 at 5:30 pm #226709AnonymousInactiveAfter months of insisting there are no plans to invade, Putin is likely now to show he has no worries about credibility.
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