Russian Tensions
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February 17, 2022 at 12:19 pm #226564AnonymousInactiveFebruary 17, 2022 at 12:45 pm #226565AnonymousInactiveFebruary 17, 2022 at 6:12 pm #226604AnonymousInactiveFebruary 17, 2022 at 7:31 pm #226605AnonymousInactiveFebruary 17, 2022 at 7:47 pm #226606alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
It seems that the de-escalation was premature.
February 17, 2022 at 7:55 pm #226608AnonymousInactiveTold you.
It’s the big one!February 17, 2022 at 8:07 pm #226610alanjjohnstoneKeymasterJohn Pilger, the veteran war correspondent
Russian-speaking Ukrainians, under economic blockade by Kiev for seven years, are fighting for their survival. The “massing” army we seldom hear about are the 13 Ukrainian army brigades laying siege to Donbass: an estimated 150,000 troops. If they attack, the provocation to Russia will almost certainly mean war.
February 17, 2022 at 8:13 pm #226611AnonymousInactiveExactly.
February 18, 2022 at 9:00 am #226618ALBKeymasterI am getting confused. What is a “false flag op”? Johnson has said that the shelling of an empty Ukrainian primary school was a “false flag operation designed to discredit the Ukrainians”. But if it was carried out by Russian proxies that wouldn’t be “false” but open.
Logically, if it was a false flag operation it would have to have been one by Ukrainian forces. Russia has alleged this and it does seem odd that the school was empty at the time. Presumably, if they did, the Ukrainian forces would have too squeamish to kill their own school kids.
There is another explanation — that Johnson does not know what a false flag operation is. Or maybe I don’t?
February 18, 2022 at 9:00 am #226619ALBKeymasterI am getting confused. What is a “false flag op”? Johnson has said that the shelling of an empty Ukrainian primary school was a “false flag operation designed to discredit the Ukrainians”. But if it was carried out by Russian proxies that wouldn’t be “false” but open.
Logically, if it was a false flag operation it would have to have been one by Ukrainian forces. Russia has alleged this and it does seem odd that the school was empty at the time. Presumably, if they did, the Ukrainian forces would have too squeamish to kill their own school kids.
There is another explanation — that Johnson does not know what a false flag operation is. Or maybe I don’t?
February 18, 2022 at 9:06 am #226620PJShannonKeymasterFrom naval warfare, I think, it meant sailing under a false flag to fool the enemy. So it would be something the Russians do while pretending to be Ukrainians, in order to create a pretext for hostilities. Bombing an empty school would fit the bill perfectly.
February 18, 2022 at 9:26 am #226623alanjjohnstoneKeymasterFalse flag ops are confusing.
They are still trying to definitively determine those responsible for the Syrian chemical gas attacks and it has been years.
February 18, 2022 at 9:27 am #226624ALBKeymasterIf the school had been in Russian controlled territory that argument would hold but wasn’t the school in Ukrainian controlled territory?
February 18, 2022 at 9:35 am #226625ALBKeymasterJust read in my morning paper:
“There was confusion yesterday when Boris Johnson referred to an attack on a nursery as a false flag because the site was in Ukrainian controlled . . . Ukrainian sources questioned why they would hit their own territory.”
Of course our gallant allies in Ukraine would never dream of launching a false flag operation, would they?
February 18, 2022 at 10:13 am #226626AnonymousInactiveNeither Ukraine nor Russia want a war, so neither would stage an incident. Only the CIA and NATO would do that.
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