Russian Tensions

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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    Anonymous
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    #226606
    alanjjohnstone
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    It seems that the de-escalation was premature.

    #226608
    Anonymous
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    Told you.
    It’s the big one!

    #226610
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    John Pilger, the veteran war correspondent

    John Pilger: War in Europe & the Rise of Raw Propaganda

    Russian-speaking Ukrainians, under economic blockade by Kiev for seven years, are fighting for their survival. The “massing” army we seldom hear about are the 13 Ukrainian army brigades laying siege to Donbass: an estimated 150,000 troops. If they attack, the provocation to Russia will almost certainly mean war.

    #226611
    Anonymous
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    Exactly.

    #226618
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I am getting confused. What is a “false flag op”? Johnson has said that the shelling of an empty Ukrainian primary school was a “false flag operation designed to discredit the Ukrainians”. But if it was carried out by Russian proxies that wouldn’t be “false” but open.

    Logically, if it was a false flag operation it would have to have been one by Ukrainian forces. Russia has alleged this and it does seem odd that the school was empty at the time. Presumably, if they did, the Ukrainian forces would have too squeamish to kill their own school kids.

    There is another explanation — that Johnson does not know what a false flag operation is. Or maybe I don’t?

    #226619
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I am getting confused. What is a “false flag op”? Johnson has said that the shelling of an empty Ukrainian primary school was a “false flag operation designed to discredit the Ukrainians”. But if it was carried out by Russian proxies that wouldn’t be “false” but open.

    Logically, if it was a false flag operation it would have to have been one by Ukrainian forces. Russia has alleged this and it does seem odd that the school was empty at the time. Presumably, if they did, the Ukrainian forces would have too squeamish to kill their own school kids.

    There is another explanation — that Johnson does not know what a false flag operation is. Or maybe I don’t?

    #226620
    PJShannon
    Keymaster

    From naval warfare, I think, it meant sailing under a false flag to fool the enemy. So it would be something the Russians do while pretending to be Ukrainians, in order to create a pretext for hostilities. Bombing an empty school would fit the bill perfectly.

    #226623
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    False flag ops are confusing.

    They are still trying to definitively determine those responsible for the Syrian chemical gas attacks and it has been years.

    #226624
    ALB
    Keymaster

    If the school had been in Russian controlled territory that argument would hold but wasn’t the school in Ukrainian controlled territory?

    #226625
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Just read in my morning paper:

    “There was confusion yesterday when Boris Johnson referred to an attack on a nursery as a false flag because the site was in Ukrainian controlled . . . Ukrainian sources questioned why they would hit their own territory.”

    Of course our gallant allies in Ukraine would never dream of launching a false flag operation, would they?

    #226626
    Anonymous
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    Neither Ukraine nor Russia want a war, so neither would stage an incident. Only the CIA and NATO would do that.

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