Russian Tensions
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Some in the MSM are waking up to reality.
https://www.newsweek.com/lessons-us-civil-war-show-why-ukraine-cant-win-opinion-1764992
Another analysis for peace
“Only the United States can offer the concessions that Russia presumably will seek to end the war. These concessions would include no NATO membership for Ukraine; closing the U.S. base in Poland; and ending the rotation of forces through the Baltic states that were once Soviet republics. As a result, President Vladimir Putin possibly would consider yielding some of the Ukrainian territory that Russia occupies, although Crimea is probably a done deal and will never be returned. Ukraine believes that its military can regain all of the occupied territory, but that is extremely unlikely without much more lethal weaponry from the United States.
Western analysts believe that Russia must be defeated to ensure that Moscow will not try to use force against another Western neighbor. For all practical purposes, the Russian military has already been defeated on the battlefield and will be in no position to open another front, particularly with a NATO member. If Russia sustains greater losses in the near term, it is possible that Putin will be replaced by a greater troglodyte who will resort to even more brutal and savage use of force. In any event, prolonged fighting is not on the side of a rational or reasonable outcome.”
We have always argued that Ukraine would have to surrender land for peace.
I am sure TS will dispute that Russia has lost any chance of total victory, much like the WW1 generals who always believed in that one final push would succeed.
And I have been raising the prospect of a possible power-grab in the Kremlin.
“Another analysis for peace”
Lol. You say analysis” I say “an-anal-ass”. No wonder you’re so misinformed All-in with the warmongers. BS in BS out.
“Only the United States can offer the concessions that Russia presumably will seek to end the war. These concessions would include no NATO membership for Ukraine; closing the U.S. base in Poland; and ending the rotation of forces through the Baltic states that were once Soviet republics. As a result, President Vladimir Putin possibly would consider yielding some of the Ukrainian territory that Russia occupies”
Not a chance. The Russians won’t be giving up any territory. Ukraine has lost it for good. To the victor goes the spoils.
“although Crimea is probably a done deal and will never be returned.”
“Probably”? Erm, no “probably” about it.
“Ukraine believes that its military can regain all of the occupied territory, but that is extremely unlikely without much more lethal weaponry from the United States.”
Only nukes can defeat Russia. That’s it.
“Western analysts believe that Russia must be defeated to ensure that Moscow will not try to use force against another Western neighbor.”
Scott Ritter is a “western analyst” and he doesn’t believe that. I can name plenty of others.
“For all practical purposes, the Russian military has already been defeated on the battlefield and will be in no position to open another front”
Lol. Pure copium. Those words won’t age well.
“particularly with a NATO member.”
Lol, I’d like to see them try. The devastation of Ukraine was accomplished with only 10% of Russian forces. See what happens if they mobilise the lot.
“If Russia sustains greater losses in the near term, it is possible that Putin will be replaced by a greater troglodyte”
Nice bit of racism there. That aside, what planet is this guy living on? Russian military deaths are but a tiny fraction of those of Ukraine.
“who will resort to even more brutal and savage use of force.”
Putin will not lose power so the point is moot but Putin has been going soft on his Slavic neighbor. Against NATO there will be no such mercy.
“In any event, prolonged fighting is not on the side of a rational or reasonable outcome.”
Russia can keep the current level of conflict going almost indefinitely. Ukraine’s military is on the brink of collapse so the war won’t continue much longer.
Probably a year at most.“We have always argued that Ukraine would have to surrender land for peace.”
That and the Nazis.
“I am sure TS will dispute that Russia has lost any chance of total victory”
I sure do.
“much like the WW1 generals who always believed in that one final push would succeed.”
This conflict is nothing like WW1.
“And I have been raising the prospect of a possible power-grab in the Kremlin.”
Yes, because you’re a MSM zombie spared the taxation of holding a single original thought.
Erm, no. Kiev is fascist, Moscow is not. To suggest otherwise reveals your true self: a cross-eyed, foaming at the mouth, tin foil
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Truly Boring is at it again. Nothing like trying to wriggle yourself out of that corner you have painted yourself in with a splash of colourful insult, eh?
For the record TS and I appreciate that the two or three brain cells that constitute your functioning neocortex, the MSM is essentially capitalist and ubiquitous and, in the context of this war, pro-Ukraine. In case that tiny organ that you call your brain has not grasped the point no socialist here has ever been pro-Ukraine any more than we are pro-Russia. We certainly don’t beat the war drum for anyone (unlike you our resident Putin bootlicker), We have consistently argued that the workers on both “sides” of this capitalist conflict have no interest whatsoever in fighting the cause of their respective capitalist warlords.
Name a single media outlet in the MSM spectrum that puts across this unique class-conscious anti-nationalist position of ours! You can’t can you? Selectively quoting from the MSM as we do (and as you do too!) is unavoidable for obvious reasons short of going to Ukraine yourself and doing some fact-checking on the ground yourself But at least we don’t rely on far-right conspiracy sites for our information as you do…
And finally, I repeat the point – if Kiew is fascist then so is Moscow and so are you! That would make you a Nazi foaming at the mouth in your lust to overthrow another Nazi regime. Not very consistent in the application of your ideological beliefs, are you?
Like I said before I don’t believe either Ukraine or Russia is a Nazi regime though they are definitely both repressive corrupt right-wing capitalist oligarchies that muzzle their opponents and crush free speech. But flinging around swearwords like “Nazi” without really even understanding what these words mean is rather like a kid hurling abuse at another kid in the school playground.
It is pretty obvious what Putin is trying to do in talking about “denazifying” Ukraine. He is trying to draw on the wartime associations of the german Nazi invasion of Russia and the bitter memories that still evokes in order to justify his own little imperialist gamble by invading Ukraine. And you, ever the useful idiot fall for it, hook line and sinker. How pathetic
If I chose the same way as you do of citing only overtly pro-Russian sources, I could flood this topic with pro-Ukrainian propaganda sources.
However, I choose to limit my links to those who try to be relatively balanced in their view.
Using the term troglodyte isn’t racist but reference to the claims that Putin was not fully informed about much of the reality of the war’s progress and Russia’s political and diplomatic isolation leading it to becoming a pariah state like the hermit country of North Korea.
“Western analysts believe that Russia must be defeated to ensure that Moscow will not try to use force against another Western neighbor.”
You misunderstood the reference to Russia and western analysts seeking Russia defeat. The author is being critical of such a strategy and like other analysts suggest that there has to be a peace agreement where Putin saves faces and no total defeat.
“This conflict is nothing like WW1.”
Say that to the soldiers in mud-filled trenches enduring incessant shell-fire, being killed to claim a little bit more of no-mans-land. It has transformed into a static stand-off, at least for the present.
Even Putin no longer believes in a speedy finish to the war as you have several times suggested in the past until quite recently when you now concede it might be a year-long conflict going on to end of 2023.
You believe once the ground is hard, the Russian tanks will crush the Ukrainian defences who will have run out of ammunition and Ukraine will be forced into an unconditional surrender and Ukraine will become a willing partner in a new Russian union.
“because you’re a MSM zombie spared the taxation of holding a single original thought.”
I possess no background in military or diplomacy.
I defer to those who do have the requisite knowledge and experience.
From all your earlier replies, you have no wish or desire to understand anything that diverges from your own entrenched opinions that are based upon a few aberrant journalists and Russian media, reinforcing the bizarre idiosyncratic world-view on history and events that you have had from long before this war began.
Bijou Drain was definitely on to something when he posted that you possess a personality disorder.
They are not Nazis, just Nasties. Meanwhile Biden calls a Russian arms dealer released in exchange for a basketball player a “merchant of death”. But what does that make him who’s been sending arms to keep the war going in Ukraine for free: The Father Christmas of Death?
How a Russian liberal learned to support the SMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o&ab_channel=JohnMarkDougan
“How a Russian liberal learned to support the SMO.”
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Liberals have got sod all to do with a socialist class-conscious opposition to nationalism and capitalism. So what’s your point in even mentioning this? Liberals support capitalism and are therefore vulnerable to an ideology that lures them into becoming a dupe – just like you! – supporting one capitalist warlord against another
“Not a chance. The Russians won’t be giving up any territory. Ukraine has lost it for good. To the victor goes the spoils.”
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Spoken like a true imperialist! TS (or should he now be called TI for True Imperialist) cannot help himself. The disgusting subtext of his craven support for a capitalist warlord like Putin seeps out like toxic waste from a sewage drain. He couldn’t care a toss about the lives of workers lost on both sides in this stupid senseless war. It’s just a game of chess to him
Yes. He likes to play a retired general with his toy soldiers.
Have you always been an imperialist, TI ?
Robbo – “Liberals have got sod all to do with a socialist class-conscious opposition to nationalism and capitalism. So what’s your point in even mentioning this? Liberals support capitalism and are therefore vulnerable to an ideology that lures them into becoming a dupe – just like you! – supporting one capitalist warlord against another.”
Exactly. “Liberals” are spouted about daily on RT. TI just repeats Russian state propaganda.
“If I chose the same way as you do of citing only overtly pro-Russian sources, I could flood this topic with pro-Ukrainian propaganda sources.”
I cite sources that are telling the truth. Nothing more, nothing less. And the truth is, Russia is fighting a fascist regime and its NATOstani backers and is winning.
“However, I choose to limit my links to those who try to be relatively balanced in their view.”
Well, I hate to rain on your parade but the war ain’t “balanced”. One side is winning resoundingly, the other is losing catastrophically.
“Using the term troglodyte isn’t racist”
Lol, All-in with the racists is now defending racist slurs. So Putin is a cave dwelling Neanderthal is he? Interesting but unimportant.
“but reference to the claims that Putin was not fully informed about much of the reality of the war’s progress”
Lol. What you smoking? Do share.
“and Russia’s political and diplomatic isolation leading it to becoming a pariah state like the hermit country of North Korea.”
Erm, back in the real world Russia has many friends. You know NATOstan isn’t “the world”, right?
“You misunderstood the reference to Russia and western analysts seeking Russia defeat. The author is being critical of such a strategy and like other analysts suggest that there has to be a peace agreement where Putin saves faces and no total defeat.”
Either way it’s delusional. Zelensky and his NATOstani handlers are facing total defeat not Putin.
“Say that to the soldiers in mud-filled trenches enduring incessant shell-fire, being killed to claim a little bit more of no-mans-land.”
Lol. You forgot about the mud. Lotsa mud. Oh dear, just like Agincourt! This war is Agincourt 2.0!
“It has transformed into a static stand-off, at least for the present.”
Russia has taken four towns around Bhakmut in just the last few days. Does that sound static to you?
“Even Putin no longer believes in a speedy finish to the war as you have several times suggested in the past until quite recently when you now concede it might be a year-long conflict going on to end of 2023.”
You’re getting so Zen now All-in. How “long” is “long”? While you’re at it, is Putin a man dreaming he’s a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he’s a man?
“You believe once the ground is hard, the Russian tanks will crush the Ukrainian defences”
That is what most analysts expect. Though there are some who believe Russia will just continue to use its artillery, missiles and air-force to ever so slowly grind the Ukrainians to dust. The Russians lose less men that way but it’ll take longer. Either way Ukraine faces catastrophic defeat.
“who will have run out of ammunition”
The math doesn’t lie. Even MSM articles are beginning to admit the truth of the matter.
“and Ukraine will be forced into an unconditional surrender”
Yes, just like WW2 Germany.
“Ukraine will become a willing partner in a new Russian union.”
I’ve never said that. But the new Ukrainian state will at the very least be neutral and in time will no doubt see the advantages of ever closer ties with Russia.
“I possess no background in military, diplomacy or media literacy.”
There, fixed it for you.
“I defer to those who do have the requisite knowledge and experience.”
No, you refer to MSM hacks and propagandists.
“From all your earlier replies, you have no wish or desire to understand anything that diverges from your own entrenched opinions”
The only thing I’m concerned about is the truth.
“that are based upon a few aberrant journalists”
Though I have little regard for the man I appreciate the sentiment, “speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act – George Orwell”
“and Russian media, reinforcing the bizarre idiosyncratic world-view on history and events that you have had from long before this war began.”
Anti-imperialist analysis is bizarre to you? Why am I not surprised?
“Bijou Drain was definitely on to something when he posted that you possess a personality disorder.”
Oh, so you’ve joined the staff of Tween Vogue too now? My horoscope? I’m sure you remember I’m an Aquarium.
A Freudian slip by TS … it’s a goldfish bowl he is swimming around and around, offering him his view of the world
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