Russian Tensions
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“Have you never heard of the use of a metaphor?”
As I thought. You were just making shit up. As I’ve said over and over the Russian strategy of a lightning strike forcing negotiations nearly succeeded but was scuttled by Bojo. Now, Ukraine will be reduced to a parking lot, its people to penury.
interesting vox populi interviews from inside Russia
https://www.youtube.com/@1420channel
I keep wondering which one was TS ;-))
TS “Ukraine will be reduced to a parking lot”
I see that you do use metaphors.
Or do i take you literally?
“Kharkiv and Kherson are now Russia. Odessa will be. Who said anything about a long-term occupation of Ukraine?”
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And this is guy who imagined that the Putin capitalist regime’s invasion of Russia was not imperialist. Ha! Even on the very narrow definition of “imperialism” as territorial acquisition, the regime qualifies as unquestionably imperialist
“I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be ”anti-Ukraine“. And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.” – Putin, July 2021.
alanjjohnstone
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TS “Ukraine will be reduced to a parking lot”I see that you do use metaphors.
Or do i take you literally?
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It is the same expression used by a right wingers known as Ted Cruz who also asked for carpet bombing for Iraq, Iran, Syria and north Korea The left wingers call him a fascist. If you read the commentaries made by the left-wingers on RT you will think that you are reading the newspaper of Germany under the Nazis.Thomas_More
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“Now, Ukraine will be reduced to a parking lot, its people to penury.” (TS)Makes you happy, eh?
“Liberate” people by reducing them to penury.
Adolf Hitler is a Boy Scout, even more, there are some historic passages which indicate that some German general did not want to bomb Paris, and when London was bombed was a mistake made by a German pilot and the British retaliated and Hitler was surprised about the bombings. According to the leftwihgs definition, we have a Nazis in the room who supports Vladimir Putin another Nazis
““Liberate” people by reducing them to penury.”
The Nazis in Kiev with their NATOstani backers started this war. Russia is only finishing it. Lesson to be learned, don’t start wars.
Under what clause of the United Nations allows a foreign country to invade another to intervene in an internal affair of that country even if justified as pre-emptive.
The self-declared governments of LPR and DPR were not recognized by any governments other than Russia. There was no attack on Russia to claim self-defence. There was no invasion of the separatist republics although you insist there was going to be.
Russia vetoed a Security Council resolution that would have called for Russia to immediately cease its attack on Ukraine. China, India, and the United Arab Emirates abstained from the vote; the eleven remaining members of the Security Council voted in favor of the resolution. A General Assembly resolution condemning the Russian invasion was passed with a 141–5 vote majority, with 35 nations abstaining.
Just because various Western countries have broken international law doesn’t lead to another wrong being right.
The international community has made it clear who started the war. It was not Ukraine.
No doubt you will produce counterclaims from various so-called experts in international law such as Scott Ritter whose authority is not recognised by any other legal expert as you have done previously. But who are you trying to convince. Yourself?
It doesn’t matter how often you repeat your mantra that this “special military operation” was a war of aggression under the terms of the UN charter. There was no genocide although a bitter bloody civil war
You ignore that Ukrainian President Oleksandr Turchynov offered amnesty to the separatists if they laid down their arms and surrendered, and also offered concessions that included devolution of power to regions, and the protection of the Russian language in law. Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko also announced a fifteen-point plan for peace.
You ignore the opposition to separatism by many in Donetsk. You call the Maidan events a coup. Others call the separatist action a putsch.
You ignore that the Crimea Tatars reported that they were being persecuted by the new Russian authority in 2014 and many fled to Ukraine.
You talk a lot about Ukrainian refugees being a burden on the West but ignore that Donbas refugees to Russia are also thought of as a burden
You forget all about the pro-Ukrainian loyalists who fled the separatist republics and who became IDPs
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2015/7/24/ukraine-worlds-unseen-refugee-crisis/TrueScotsman
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““Liberate” people by reducing them to penury.”The Nazis in Kiev with their NATOstani backers started this war. Russia is only finishing it. Lesson to be learned, don’t start wars.
—————————This statement sounds like Barrack Obama who said that warships bombarding Lybia was not an invasion, so according to this brilliant historian the Ukraine army was the one who invaded themselves with tanks and troops.
This was a trap or an ambush that the USA launched to Russia like they did in Kuwait and Putin bit the bait
This is the guy that wants to give lectures to us and does not know that the root of wars is market, and even more, Lenin said that peace is the continuation of wars by other means, which means he has not read Lenin pamphlet on wars.
The end of the market system, is the end of all wars. We have a pamphlet that explains all that, we do not need lecturers
None of the capitalist gangster involved in this war from both sides do not want peace, they want the continuation of the war, and each one has their own particular capitalist interests, and they do not care about the suffering of the workers on both sides, this is an imperialist war like any other capitalist war, and in some way the USA capitalists class have obtained one of its purpose which was to avoid the continuation of China Silk Road, and to sell energetic commodities to Europe, and to increase the production and sales of armaments
“I think if you read back you will find that I already stated it was Boris Johnson who convinced Ukraine to resist when all other NATO countries were ready to accept defeat”
Rubbish. Bojo was just NATOstan’s mop headed messenger boy.
“with USA preparing to fly Zelensky out to safety.”
If you think the British marionette dances free of its American strings I’ve a bridge in Kherson to sell you.
“I was making the point that the USA was not responsible for planning the proxy war which you claimed but the UK.”
Yet one more thing in a very, very long list you’re wrong about.
“But the strategic situation did change.”
Yes, Zelensky decided to commit Ukraine to suicide by Russian cop.
“Do you deny that Russia’s intelligence failed by miscalculating the strength of nationalist feelings of the Ukrainians and that the Russian army was not welcomed as liberators as their soldiers were told?”
Actually, the soldiers were greeted as liberators all across the east.
“Are you so deluded that you expect that Ukraine will accept surrender when they already refused to when elite Russian troops were in the suburbs of Kiev and before NATO aid had arrived?”
Ukraine will surrender. It’s a mathematical certainty. The only question is how favourable the terms to Russia. The longer Kiev holds out, the more favourable to Russia those terms will be.
“Are you so deluded”
You keep using this word and yet it is I who is proven correct over and over. This word “deluded”, it doesn’t mean what you think it means.
“you see Russia desperate to retain some of the gains they made at the outset of the war and lost to a Ukrainian offensive.”
(Yawn). Russia’s primary goal is demilitarisation. If withdrawing from a disadvantageous position allows a more efficient demilitarisation then that’s what the Russians do.
“You talk of Bakhmut a battle going on since August with Ukraine still holding out but conveniently forget the defeats Russia had at Kharkiv and Izium.”
Kharkiv was/is not a defeat. Russia continues grinding the Ukrainian military there to dust which is their stated objective.
“A symbolic victory – not for the Russian army, but a mercenary army of convicts”
Watch the video I linked to, or don’t, I couldn’t give a shit, but it shows how Bhakmut is key to holding what’s left of Donbass. The fact that Ukraine has 30,000 troops there and is frantically sending in all available reserves to reinforce the position puts the lie to NATOstani copium that the city is of no strategic value.
Wagner group doesn’t have it’s own artillery, missiles and air-force. All these are provided by the regular Russian military. So to say the operation is purely of mercenaries is simply more BS copium from a simping Guardian Bro.
“I tried to earlier explain that NATO was prepared to accept the defeat of Ukraine at the outset of the war”
It wasn’t.
“but now the stakes are far too high to allow a Russian victory. Global geo-politics takes precedence now.”
Only one thing can stop a Russian victory. Nukes. And then there’ll be no one left alive to argue over the geo-political implications.
“I anticipate the loss of DPR, LHR and Crimea and a return of Russia to Feb 22 lines as the basis of peace.”
Russia may accept that if NATO retreats to its 1997 borders. What’s the likelihood of that do you think?
“How long such a peace lasts is conjecture.”
And water is wet, yeah I know.
“Your video link is to a website that has the description
“I analyze war movies, video games and react to other Youtube videos.”
Scarcely a credible source when you dismiss similar such sources that are pro-Ukrainian?”Just watch it til you see the map showing the importance of Bhakmut to Ukraine’s remaining in Donbass, or don’t, I don’t give a shit. Besides, events are moving so fast there now that the battle for Donbass is close to a conclusion. I look forward to you saying, “Donbass is of no strategic importance” or whatever other copium it is the Guardian drip feeds into your three surviving brain cells.
The Nazis in Kiev with their NATOstani backers started this war. Russia is only finishing it. Lesson to be learned, don’t start wars.
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BS. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Russia’s invasion was a blatant act of capitalist imperialism. Ukraine did not invade Russia; it was Russia that chose to invade Ukraine and then proceed to annex territories in the manner of an imperialist power. Russia is no less imperialist than the NATO countries that back Ukraine. A plague on both their houses!
TS “Wagner group doesn’t have it’s own artillery, missiles and air-force. All these are provided by the regular Russian military.”
And from well behind the front lines.
As i said in an earlier post, those unfortunates in what can now only be described as penal battalions are being used as cannon fodder and forced forward into suicide attacks, all for the glory of Prigozhin and his political ambitions
Did you ever answer why the name Wagner was chosen for the organisation, Hitler’s favourite composer?
Go to our African blog and use the search facility to find the massacres conducted by the Wagner mercenaries.
https://socialistbanner.blogspot.com/Sadly, very sadly, this war is long from being over. You conceded it will last another year.
Wagner groups is a mercenary army integrated by Paramilitary, the left-winger criticize the Colombian paramilitary but they applaud the Russian paramilitaries, and Wagner also has employed some paramilitaries from Colombia and Chile, it is a double standard.
They have an office in argentina in order to recruits poor unemployed workers from Latin America like its USA counterpart.
The Russian army provide armaments to them because they are an extension of the Russian army despite the fact that they are ilegal in Russia.
Corruption run in both sides.
The USA is questioning the disappearance of some advanced technological weapons, and they think that they have fallen in the hands of the Russian army or Wagner groups
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