Russian Tensions
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December 3, 2022 at 12:15 am #237248TrueScotsmanBlocked
“Support in Russia for the war has fallen dramatically according to a leaked report from the Kremlin.”
Fake news.
https://www.levada.ru/en/2022/11/01/conflict-with-ukraine-october-2022/
December 3, 2022 at 12:39 am #237249TrueScotsmanBlocked“Now, are you claiming that NATO nations can be defined as Nazi, as well?”
I didn’t say that. Just that NATOstan is allied to the Kiev Nazis. You didn’t notice?
December 3, 2022 at 2:05 am #237250alanjjohnstoneKeymasterTS – “NATOstani/Nazi aggression”
The ambiguity was yours.
December 3, 2022 at 2:42 am #237251TrueScotsmanBlockedSo what do you call a Nazi ally?
December 3, 2022 at 3:02 am #237252alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe Levada poll does make good reading
I find it promising that support for peace talks is growing
In October 36% supported the continuation of hostilities.
Support to start negotiations 57%.Support for the mobilisation – strongest among the least likely to be called up (66%). With a majority who oppose it being in the age groups that may well be subject to conscription.
I’m not at all surprised that most people support their country when it goes to war. It is par for the course for all countries. However, 20% against the war is a good solid base that can grow.
The Meduza article here
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/30/make-peace-not-warOther news from Meduza
Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said that Russia’s defense purchasing will increase by almost 50 percent in 2023
Russian Ministry of Finance, Russia’s defense spending was 4.7 trillion rubles (or about $77 billion) in 2022. The Russian newspaper Vedomosti reported that this is 1.2 trillion rubles (or $20 billion) more than the approved 2022 military spending budget. Close to 5 trillion rubles are being allocated to defense for 2023, and 4.6 trillion for 2024.Russia’s defense purchasing is only part of its total defense budget. Traditionally, about half of the defense spending goes towards purchasing military goods and equipment, as well as financing military contracts. The rest covers the military’s operating expenditures, the servicemen’s allowances, training, and similar expenses
Russian Senator Lyudmila Narusova, speaking to the Federation Council.
“The fifth-grade bulletproof vest that cost 7,000 rubles last January, now costs 135,000,” Narusova said. She added that the Federal Antitrust Service (FAS) should find out why Russian manufacturers don’t deliver the bulletproof army gear directly to the Russian military, selling it instead to consumers at market prices.
Also reading its website I note Russia too is suffering energy price inflation, a 3rd rise in 2022 when only an annual price rise is customary. But they do promise no more rises for 2023.
December 3, 2022 at 3:04 am #237253alanjjohnstoneKeymasterTS – “So what do you call a Nazi ally?” – Putin
December 3, 2022 at 3:34 am #237254TrueScotsmanBlocked“TS – “So what do you call a Nazi ally?” – Putin”
Lol. All-in with NATOstan has completely lost the plot. He thinks Ukraine and Russia are now allies. Well, when the Ukronazis are defeated that possibility exists. We can only hope.
December 3, 2022 at 4:10 am #237255AnonymousInactiveIn several occasions we have published in this forum the definition of Fascism/Nazism and it indicates that he has not read it, but according to the definition of the left-wingers, Leninists/Trostkyist/Stalinists Putin fill out all the elements and requirements to be a Fascist/Nazis, but based on the real socialist definition, there re not any fascists/nazis,( 0nly Neo Nazis ) or any fascists/nazis alliance, and still like during WW2 the main problem is capitalism, it is not Fascism or Nazism, it was only a pretext ( like now ) to start an imperialist war, for markets, raw materials, resources and spheres of influences.
Ukraine territory has more than 14 trillions in natural resources needed for the modern industry, probably more in abundance than the Orinoco basin of Venezuela, the whole eastern coast of South America has coltan and the Chinese and the Russian are after those resources, and the USA does not want them to take it because they also needed to their own modern industry
When the British/USA/French capitalists made alliances with the German Nazis and provided financing to them, the soviets call them Nazis allies, but when they made alliance with the German Nazis they call it commercial trade, despite the fact that Stalin gave approval to Molotov to turn the Soviet Union in one of the members of the Axis alliance, but the Leninists/Stalinist deny that, as well they deny that the agreement had a secretive clause, as well, the soviets made secretive agreement with the USA during the war with Japan.
The German pilots knew the location of all the Soviet airplanes fields because they were the ones who trained the soviet pilots, and war tanks operators, and the Nazis knew their military weakness, and they called it a commercial trade, it was not a nazis alliance
December 3, 2022 at 5:33 am #237257TrueScotsmanBlocked“Stalin gave approval to Molotov to turn the Soviet Union in one of the members of the Axis alliance”
God level bullshit. Lol.
December 3, 2022 at 6:39 am #237258AnonymousInactiveIt is bullshit for you because you do not read any books, or literature, you just repeat like a parrot, There are several books written about the Stalin-hitler pact, including the possible alliance with the axis, and that pact created an enormous division among the Stalinists and Trotskyist movement ( Trotsky also continued supporting the Soviet Union despite the signing of the pact and the alliance ) because there were many who did not support the pact.Probably, you have not read the works of Raya Dunayeskaya who was personal secretary of Trotsky and she mentioned on her books the details of the pact and the alliance. Probably, you do not know that the KGB agent ( Mercader ) who killed Trotsky was an ex Trotskyist who was known by the peoples who were in Mexico with him
December 3, 2022 at 7:03 am #237260robbo203Participant“Now, are you claiming that NATO nations can be defined as Nazi, as well?”
I didn’t say that. Just that NATOstan is allied to the Kiev Nazis. You didn’t notice?
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If the Ukrainian capitalist regime is Nazi then so is the Russian capitalist regime. Neither of them calls themselves Nazi but they are both authoritarian repressive right-wing oligarchies. If you are going to play around with words then at least be consistent. Your problem is you haven’t got a clue what Nazi means. For you, it’s just a convenient swearword to label what you perceive to be an enemyDecember 3, 2022 at 7:08 am #237261robbo203Participant“Support in Russia for the war has fallen dramatically according to a leaked report from the Kremlin.”
Fake news.
_______________What is fake? That there was a leaked report from the Kremlin or that what that report said is fake.
At any rate, it doesn’t alter the fact that more workers in both Russia and Ukraine rejecting this sordid capitalist war is good news
December 3, 2022 at 7:36 am #237262TrueScotsmanBlocked“What is fake? That there was a leaked report from the Kremlin or that what that report said is fake.”
Both.
December 3, 2022 at 7:37 am #237263AnonymousInactivehttps://www.newsweek.com/russian-support-poll-ukraine-war-collapsed-negotiations-1763888
Internal Russian news outlet have indicated that the support for Ukraine-War has decreased to only 25%
December 3, 2022 at 7:59 am #237264alanjjohnstoneKeymasterFiona Hill on Putin’s qualities. Why is her opinion of any value? Because she studied Putin’s politics.
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