Russian Tensions
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November 21, 2022 at 1:11 pm #236576alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
Bijou Drains, you are being semantic.
True Scotsman, you doth protest too much
I deleted a number of references.
November 21, 2022 at 1:30 pm #236577Bijou DrainsParticipantHi Alan,
Does that mean you are anti-semantic? 🙂
November 21, 2022 at 1:38 pm #236579TrueScotsmanBlockedMy bad Alan, I’ve got wifi issues at the mo.
November 21, 2022 at 2:09 pm #236580Bijou DrainsParticipantWifi is the least of your issues, bonny lad.
November 21, 2022 at 2:20 pm #236581TrueScotsmanBlocked“Wifi is the least of your issues, bonny lad.”
What are you, 5? Run along and play child.
November 21, 2022 at 2:25 pm #236582robbo203Participant“Proud? It wasn’t my accomplishment. Happy? Yes. The defeat of a fascist state’s army is something to be happy about”
Why does TS consider Ukraine to be a fascist state but not Russia as well? Neither actually call themselves fascist states, of course, although there are self-identifying fascists in both countries – in both cases a distinct minority. But not calling yourself a fascist (and even pretending to oppose fascism) does not necessarily mean you are not a fascist yourself.
Russia and Ukraine are remarkably similar in both being corrupt authoritarian right-wing capitalist oligarchies that brutally suppress internal opposition. If Ukraine is a fascist state then so too is Russia.
TS comes across as a far-right boorish Trumpist who is also clearly rabidly anti-socialist to the extent that he knows anything about socialism at all. Little wonder he sees no problem in giving unconditional and fervent support to one obnoxious capitalist regime in its territorial dispute with another equally obnoxious capitalist regime when the difference between these regimes is quite frankly, merely skin deep,
I imagine that if Ukraine started going on about wanting to “denazify Russia” from the word go, TS would be all too ready to jump ship and become an ardent supporter of Ukrainian nationalism. It’s just an accident of history that he finds himself supporting Russian capitalism and not Ukrainian capitalism. But it wouldn’t take that much to switch sides
November 21, 2022 at 3:55 pm #236587Thomas_MoreParticipantLike my German teacher at school, who, with her fellow Nazi Party members in 1945, swapped armbands for Communist Party ones, and carried on.
November 21, 2022 at 4:04 pm #236588Thomas_MoreParticipant” Being associated with powerful groups allows TN to feel some of the reflected “glory” of the sociopaths he so admires.”
As Reich points out in “Listen, Little Man” and in “The Mass Psychology of Fascism”, which applies to all totalitarianism.
Mao knew how to harness the sexual energy of youth and misguide it. The murderous Red Guards would have been pop and movie star fans, or football hooligans, in the West.
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November 21, 2022 at 4:15 pm #236590AnonymousInactiveThat shit known as Maoism produced the death of many young peoples. The four volumes of Mao have nothing related to Marxism, it is all Chinese nationalism applicable to economical backward countries, that is the reason why Che Guevara was inclined toward Maoism, and he immolate himself. In Bolivia they have a church for Saint Ernesto Guevara, His family was from Ireland
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/genealogy/history-che-guevara-irish-ancestorNovember 21, 2022 at 4:33 pm #236593Thomas_MoreParticipantOne sees similar seeds of the leader cult under Chiang, but people were allowed to refuse to take part. Mao did not allow any standing back. We Socialists would have been utterly obliterated.
November 21, 2022 at 6:25 pm #236597robbo203ParticipantOf course, since this information emanates from the Ukrainian regime we can no more regard it as being reliable than we can information emanating from the Russian regime, But anyway for what it is worth here are the figures…..
“information General Staff: Russia has lost 84,600 troops in Ukraine since Feb. 24
Ukraine’s General Staff reported on Nov. 21 that Russia had also lost 2,892 tanks, 5,822 armored fighting vehicles, 4,378 vehicles and fuel tanks, 1,870 artillery systems, 393 multiple launch rocket systems, 209 air defense systems, 278 airplanes, 261 helicopters, 1,537 drones, and 16 boats.”
November 21, 2022 at 6:27 pm #236598Bijou DrainsParticipantGyörgy Faludy’s memoir of his time in a Hungarian Stalinist labour camp (My Happy Days in Hell) made the point well. The labour camp guards he was held in had been recruited by the Hungarian Communist Party because they had previous relevant experience – working in the Fascist concentration camps.
No doubt if TN gets his dream of “De Nazifying” the Ukraine, the “Nazis” better brush up their cvs, they’ll be much sought out by the new regime.
What was it Pete Townshend said? “Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss!”
November 21, 2022 at 6:35 pm #236599Thomas_MoreParticipantGot myself another copy of “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.” Solzhenitsyn’s “The Gulag Archipelago” is supposed to be enlightening too.
November 21, 2022 at 7:27 pm #236600AnonymousInactiveThe KGB came from the Gestapo, it was similar to the Sicilian Mafia The German pilots knew the location of all the airfields in the Soviet Union because they were the ones who trained the soviet pilots. Stalin authorized Molotov to turn the Soviet Union into a member of the Axis alliance The Soviet Union provided to the Nazis all the raw materials that they needed for the war efforts and the factories
November 21, 2022 at 10:09 pm #236604Bijou DrainsParticipantSolzhenitsyn is a bit of a riddle for True Narcissist to unravel.
In the Gulag under TNs hero Stalin, released by TNs nemesis Khrushchev, exiled by Brezhnev and then rehabilitated by Putin.Solzhenitsyn once declared, “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened. Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.'”
This is the guy lionised by Putin. He also praised Putin saying “Russia was rediscovering what it meant to be Russian.”
So TN was it correct for Stalin to put Solzhenitsyn in the Gulag or was Putin right to say that his treatment was “evil”. Is your contention that Putin’s government is a continuation of the Bolshevik tradition or is Putin’s view that Lenin was a great disaster for the Russian people correct. Is the elevation of the the Russian Orthodox Chuch the correct path or was the abolition of the Orthodox Church by the Bolsheviks the way forward. Final question for TN, do you know your arse from your elbow?
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