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The Russian economy is doing “just fine” according to Truly Stupid
I would still like to hear from him about how he reconciles that claim of his with this:
“The Russian economy is shrinking
According to independent analysis by the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 2022 will be a bad year for the Russian economy. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is expected to drop by at least 5.5% in the best scenario to almost 9% in the worst scenario.”https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contract-29-2022-economy-minister-2022-09-06/
I can’t reconcile your comment
“the Russians hoped for a quick surrender.”
That has been my case all along. That they hoped to capture Kiev in days. That it was not a diversionary attack.
You will, of course, dismiss any analysis from Western sources.
But the Washington Post has a detailed description of the Russian strategy and the battle of Kiev.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/interactive/2022/kyiv-battle-ukraine-survival/
And you will reject Wiki as CIA lies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_offensive_(2022)
But my reading is that the Russians definitely intended to take Kiev but underestimated the resistance which halted reinforcements.
It was a defeat.
Plan A had failed so Plan B had to be quickly implemented. That is the plan you insist was the original one.
This war is not going to be over any time soon, IMHO.
Ukraine won’t be defeated and neither will the Russians be dislodged from the occupied territory.
The Nazis (if you wish to define them as such) are still in power and have grown stronger.
The separatist regions’ population have needed to be evacuated because the Russians cannot guarantee to protect them in DPR and LPR
Ukraine’s and other neighbouring countries(Finland and Sweden) relations with NATO have grown closer, and NATO presence has been strengthened in the Baltic countries and Poland. All NATO nations are increasing their arms spending
It has been a disaster for Putin as he has not accomplished his special military operation. While retaining the patriotic loyalty of most Russians as all wars in all countries have a tendency to happen, he has alienated a substantial minority.
His hope was indeed a swift victory by capturing Kiev and that did not succeed.
TN can’t even be arsed to check the information from the Russian goverment sources re deaths from the Russian side.
5,987 killed between 24th Feb to 21st September – Russia’s Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu 21st Sept 2022
This did not include deaths from forces from the Luhansk PR Forces and Donetsk PR forces which have been reported as follows:
Donetsk PR deaths 3,833 reported by Donetsk PR official figues up to 17th November
Luhanks PR deaths 1,745 reported by Luhansk PR officials up to 1st November
That brings a total “official” death toll of nearly 12,000 deaths, without counting Russian deaths from 21st Sept. With over 3 months left of the year (if the war continues) it would be reasonable to estimate using the official Russian death figures that 15,000 Russian and allied soldiers will have died.
In comparison the number of US deaths in the Vietnam war was 58,281 during the 9 years of US full involvment with the war. An average of roughly 6,500 deaths per year. The official total deaths for the 10 year Soviet Afghan war was 14,453.
If the Afghan was was described as the Soviet Vietnam, how to describe the level of carnage described if even the lowest figures for deaths is accepted, is beyond me.
And TS thinks these deaths and the deaths on the other side are worthwhile to keep wheels of profit turning.
The Russian mouthpiece known as RT is also recognizing all the Russian dead soldiers. One day he is going to invoke the Fifth Amendment or to remain silent . He is running out of arguments, it is a very high bombardment for an amateur. I have always said that some guru come to this place as teacher or lecturers and then they become students or pupils
https://www.mololamken.com/knowledge-What-Does-It-Really-Mean-To-Take-the-Fifth
It looks as if, after the missile incident in Poland, Ukraine is continuing on its way to becoming a rogue state. They now seem to be shelling the nuclear power station at Zaporozhye with the intention of provoking an incident so that there will be outside intervention.
The fact the IAEA is not prepared to say who is doing the shelling (they must know) suggests that it will be Ukraine because if it was Russia that would be proclaimed from the rooftops.
It all goes to show what a state will be prepared to do if it feels it’s existence is at stake.
Anyone of them can provoke an atomic accident to extend this war and to find more pretexts to continue the killing and avoid any peace agreement
There are 13 trillions worth of natural resources in Ukraine and both side want it, there are minerals needed for the modern industry including the military and space projects
The so called nazis threat is all bullshit, there are more neo Nazis groups inside Russia than in Ukraine
“it would be reasonable to estimate using the official Russian death figures that 15,000 Russian and allied soldiers will have died.”
I would agree with those mumbers. The Ukrainians on the other hand have lost at least 100,000 dead possibly much higher. Ukrainian losses are unsustainable, Russian losses are not. That is why Russia will win and decisively.
“They now seem to be shelling the nuclear power station at Zaporozhye with the intention of provoking an incident so that there will be outside intervention.
The fact the IAEA is not prepared to say who is doing the shelling (they must know) suggests that it will be Ukraine because if it was Russia that would be proclaimed from the rooftops.
It all goes to show what a state will be prepared to do if it feels it’s existence is at stake.”
The Ukrainians have been shelling the plant for months. They’ve also assaulted it with troops numerous times. You only just get the memo?
“That has been my case all along. That they hoped to capture Kiev in days. That it was not a diversionary attack.”
The troops were meant to intimidate but not assault the city. You get the difference, right?
“But the Washington Post has a detailed description of the Russian strategy and the battle of Kiev.”
The WaPo isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. It’s owner is literally an enormous cog in the US MIC.
You do yourself no favors reading from it and come off as a smooth brained dupe because you do.“And you will reject Wiki as CIA lies”
A position I can and have supported with copious amounts of evidence. Reading it only makes you dumber, which, is hard to believe possible.
“But my reading is that the Russians definitely intended to take Kiev but underestimated the resistance which halted reinforcements.”
No, they didn’t. If they “definitely intended” to take Kiev they’d have sent 2-300,000 troops in order to do so.
“It was a defeat.”
Lol, you can’t lose a battle you didn’t fight.
“Plan A had failed so Plan B had to be quickly implemented. That is the plan you insist was the original one.”
No, I’ve always been consistent on what I believed to be the original Russian plan. Intimidate Kiev into a negotiated settlement. It almost worked but was scuttled by Bojo. I have said this exact thing numerous times on this thread. Go back and look.
“This war is not going to be over any time soon, IMHO.”
I can’t see how much longer it can go on. Russia’s reserves will be fully mobilized soon, the ground is about to harden. The Russian offensives will then kick off. The Ukrainians are taking intolerable casualties and their western allies are delivering diminishing amounts of war material. Making predictions about when a war will end is foolish but for what it’s worth I’d say less than 12 months.
“Ukraine won’t be defeated and neither will the Russians be dislodged from the occupied territory.”
Well, you’re either right or you’re wrong. I think you’re wrong and we’ll all find out soon enough.
“The Nazis (if you wish to define them as such) are still in power and have grown stronger.”
Which is why they’ll have to be defeated militarily.
“The separatist regions’ population have needed to be evacuated because the Russians cannot guarantee to protect them in DPR and LPR”
That’s one of the principle reasons why this conflict is being fought. But by the end of it life will return to normal for the people of Donbas. Ukrainian civilians will not be so lucky. Their country will be in ruins.
“Ukraine’s and other neighbouring countries(Finland and Sweden) relations with NATO have grown closer, and NATO presence has been strengthened in the Baltic countries and Poland. All NATO nations are increasing their arms spending”
NATO is a paper tiger. Its members are de-industrialising and their economies in free fall. With Ukraine’s defeat NATO may well fall apart.
“It has been a disaster for Putin as he has not accomplished his special military operation.”
Lol. Quite the opposite. Ukraine and NATO are being demilitarised, Russia has gained huge swathes of new territory and population. The Russian economy is bouncing back, a new global trade and security infrastructure helmed by Russia, and its close ally China, is being developed. Putin’s domestic popularity is sky high. I’m not seeing much disaster.
“While retaining the patriotic loyalty of most Russians as all wars in all countries have a tendency to happen, he has alienated a substantial minority.”
Erm no, he hasn’t. The liberals are hated in Russia for what happened in the 90s. If they all left no one would notice or care.
“His hope was indeed a swift victory by capturing Kiev and that did not succeed.”
That was the hope, sure. Putin wished to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and the destruction of Ukraine. But Kiev/NATOstan insisted that’s what they wanted so that’s what they’re getting. Russia on the other hand will be much stronger. New territories and population, a blooded military, a fractured NATO, a rebounding economy and strong allies. Stop reading the Guardian Brah, your in danger of losing your remaining half dozen brain cells.
“I would still like to hear from him about how he reconciles that claim of his with this”
Robotomy, I already linked to an article discussing the strength of the Russian economy. It can do the talking.
NAZI terror plot in Italy linked to Ukraine’s Azov. Welcome to Europe’s new normal. Lay down with dogs, get fleas.
Blowback: Italian police bust Azov-tied Nazi cell planning terror attacks
https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis
Long history of Neo nazis in Russia
Ultra nationalism is one of the component of Nazism. There are many ultra nationalist groups in Russia
Russia government should start de nazification at home
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