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Yes, like the constitutional church in revolutionary France.
And like that example, Stalin created the Moscow Patriarchate because the former clergy rejected him.
Supporting evidence for YMS suggestion that the war against Ukraine’s electric infrastructure is to create more refugees
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63687037
The head of Ukraine’s biggest private energy firm says people should consider leaving the country to reduce demand on the country’s power network.
“If they can find an alternative place to stay for another three or four months, it will be very helpful to the system,” DTEK chief executive Maxim Timchenko told the BBC.
“I did no such thing. Russia’s war aims were made known at the very beginning of the conflict and have remained unchanged.”
You are squirming out of the question again. To repeat – the question is if Russia’s war aims were to protect Donbas how come Russian troops were to be found on the outskirts of Kyiv? How is this not a case of militaristic imperialism?
_______________________“Lol, I’ve been hearing for months that Russia’s running out of missiles. The largest barrage yet hit just yesterday. Russia is not running out of weapons. It has been preparing for this conflict since 2012.”
Russia Finally Admits Weapons Shortage in Ukraine War
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“There is no evidence supporting your statements. The Russian economy is actually improving.”The Russian economy is shrinking
According to independent analysis by the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 2022 will be a bad year for the Russian economy. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is expected to drop by at least 5.5% in the best scenario to almost 9% in the worst scenario.https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/impact-sanctions-russian-economy/#:~:text=The%20Russian%20economy%20is%20shrinking,year%20for%20the%20Russian%20economy.
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“Depends on which propaganda you choose to believe in. Ukrainian sources believe Russian fatalities are approaching 100,000, The truth is probably somewhere in between”
No, the truth is not somewhere in between. Even the BBC admits Russian losses are low. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61987945The BBC report you refer to is dated 1 July so the figures in it relate to June at the latest. In case you were not aware it is now late November. The same source you use – the BBC – now reports that there have been 100,000 Russian soldiers killed (10 Nov) roughly the same as the number of Ukrainian soldiers killed
200,000 ! Actually, those figures refer to the number both killed and injured. Still 200,000 killed or wounded is horrendous enough. No wonder there are mass graves all over the place.
And all just to decide into whose sphere of influence the territory of Ukraine and its resources should come or to which state parts of it should be part of.
What an indictment of capitalism and a condemnation of those who support either side urging the killing, wounding and destruction to continue.
Those in charge of the Russian state clearly don’t care how many of its subjects get killed or wounded. But that’s par for the course. The various rulers of Russia never have. But those in charge of the NATO member-states are just as bad if not worse — they don’t care how many Ukrainian soldiers and civilians are as long as none of theirs are. All they have to is to keep arming the Ukrainian state while prating on about “justice” and “democracy”. The cynical Bastards.
MS – “I do not think that he had read Lenin book on Imperialism and Bahrain book on Imperialism who is more accurate than Lenin, or Rosa Luxembourg on the accumulation of capital. ”
To be honest, MS, I’m not sure if he’s even read a single book. Maybe coloured in one or two, and maybe the occasional dot to dot, but a proper full book, not bloody likely.
“To repeat – the question is if Russia’s war aims were to protect Donbas how come Russian troops were to be found on the outskirts of Kyiv?”
The feint towards Kiev WAS protecting Donbass. It pinned Ukraine’s troops there preventing them from participating in hostilities. But, as I’ve already stated numerous times, protecting Donbass was only one of three war aims. The other two were/are De-Nazification and de-militarization/de-NATOization. All three, it was hoped, could have been achieved through a Ukrainian surrender and resulting peace negotiations. To bring Kiev to the table they would have to feel threatened. This was the reason for the multiple lightning thrusts into Ukraine including toward Kiev. The tactic almost worked but negotiations were scuttled personally by Bojo.
“How is this not a case of militaristic imperialism?”
Because Russia had done everything possible to avoid the conflict but NATOstan and the Kiev Nazis insisted they wanted it.
“Russia Finally Admits Weapons Shortage in Ukraine War”
Lol, some of the newly mobilized troops are short of toilet paper. Where it matters: tanks, aircraft, artillery shells, missiles and small arms and ammunition- no shortages.
“The Russian economy is shrinking
According to independent analysis by the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 2022 will be a bad year for the Russian economy. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is expected to drop by at least 5.5% in the best scenario to almost 9% in the worst scenario.”Bunk. The Russian economy is doing just fine.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contract-29-2022-economy-minister-2022-09-06/
“The BBC report you refer to is dated 1 July so the figures in it relate to June at the latest. In case you were not aware it is now late November.”
Which means approximately 1,000 Russian dead per month up to July which isn’t far off from what the Russians were reporting. Math not your strong suit?
“The same source you use – the BBC – now reports that there have been 100,000 Russian soldiers killed”
Lol, so 94,000 Russians were killed in the last few months?! Dim, dimmer, dimmest, Robotomy.
I meant Nikolai Bukharin, Imperialism and world economy
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1917/imperial/
“The feint towards Kiev WAS protecting Donbass. It pinned Ukraine’s troops there preventing them from participating in hostilities. But, as I’ve already stated numerous times, protecting Donbass was only one of three war aims. The other two were/are De-Nazification and de-militarization/de-NATOization. All three, it was hoped, could have been achieved through a Ukrainian surrender and resulting peace negotiations. To bring Kiev to the table they would have to feel threatened. This was the reason for the multiple lightning thrusts into Ukraine including toward Kiev. The tactic almost worked but negotiations were scuttled personally by Bojo.”
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The imperialist military incursion into Ukraine by Russian forces is now called a “feint” by our resident Putin bootlicker who continues adamantly to refuse to call a spade a spade. Of course NATO is also to blame and socialists are no less critical of NATO and Ukraine than we are of the Russian regime. Unlike TS with his pro-capitalist outlook, we refuse to take sides in a capitalist war and two wrongs don’t make a right.
The other two reasons for Russia’s military imperialism cited by our apologist for Russian capitalism – denazification and demilitarisation – are BS excuses. The Ukrainian regime is no more – or if you prefer, no less – Nazi than the Russian regime. They are both corrupt authoritarian right-wing capitalist oligarchies remarkably similar in their makeup. As for demilitarisation, there was no chance as I understand it of Ukraine joining NATO according to its own internal rules
This is a capitalist war being fought for the usual capitalist reasons – spheres of influence, resources and so on
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“Russia Finally Admits Weapons Shortage in Ukraine War”Lol, some of the newly mobilized troops are short of toilet paper. Where it matters: tanks, aircraft, artillery shells, missiles and small arms and ammunition- no shortages.”
LOL So even when the Russian regime says there is a weapons shortage, TS refuses to accept this. You see, TS far from being comfortably seated in his armchair is actually based in the Russian-held part of Ukraine now as we speak and is closely involved in carrying out an inventory inspection of weapons there. He has been personally assured by Russian soldiers he has quizzed there that all they lack is good-quality toilet paper
___________________________________“The Russian economy is shrinking
According to independent analysis by the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), 2022 will be a bad year for the Russian economy. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is expected to drop by at least 5.5% in the best scenario to almost 9% in the worst scenario.”Bunk. The Russian economy is doing just fine.”
So in the face of the actual evidence that the Russian economy is not doing fine at all, all our Putin bootlicker can do is robotically assert that the “Russian economy is doing just fine.” Pathetic.
_____________________________________________“Which means approximately 1,000 Russian dead per month up to July which isn’t far off from what the Russians were reporting. Math not your strong suit?”
No, you plonker – I am talking about the total number of deaths to date in this war, not the weekly kill rate (which would obviously change from week to week anyway). The link you cited is out of date and at most would have been up to the end of June. The latest figure is 100K casualties on the Russian side though as ALB points out this includes wounded soldiers too. In terms of actual fatalities on the Russian side, one figure that I have come across is 71200 reported on 1 Nov (so up to the end of October). However, this is a Ukrainian estimate and is likely to be on the high side just as the Russian figure is likely to be on the low side for obvious propaganda reasons. It’s like I said – the exact figure is almost certainly going to be somewhere in between
“The imperialist military incursion into Ukraine by Russian forces is now called a “feint” by our resident Putin bootlicker who continues adamantly to refuse to call a spade a spade. Of course NATO is also to blame and socialists are no less critical of NATO and Ukraine than we are of the Russian regime. Unlike TS with his pro-capitalist outlook, we refuse to take sides in a capitalist war and two wrongs don’t make a right.”
What is this, grade 6 stream of consciousness writing? Yawn.
“The other two reasons for Russia’s military imperialism cited by our apologist for Russian capitalism – denazification and demilitarisation – are BS excuses. The Ukrainian regime is no more – or if you prefer, no less – Nazi than the Russian regime.”
Not gonna argue this point with you for the thousandth time. Believe whatever you wanna believe. I couldn’t give a shit.
“They are both corrupt authoritarian right-wing capitalist oligarchies remarkably similar in their makeup.”
As above.
“As for demilitarisation, there was no chance as I understand it of Ukraine joining NATO according to its own internal rules”
Ukraine was defacto NATO already.
“This is a capitalist war being fought for the usual capitalist reasons – spheres of influence, resources and so on”
As above.
“LOL So even when the Russian regime says there is a weapons shortage”
It never made any such claim. Did you read the link to your link. It was talking about bandages FFS.
“TS refuses to accept this.”
Cos it’s BS like just about everything else published about Russia in the MSM.
“You see, TS far from being comfortably seated in his armchair is actually based in the Russian-held part of Ukraine now as we speak and is closely involved in carrying out an inventory inspection of weapons there. He has been personally assured by Russian soldiers he has quizzed there that all they lack is good-quality toilet paper”
Right, and I have zero knowledge about the moon because I’ve never been there either. It’s made of cheese isn’t it?
“No, you plonker – I am talking about the total number of deaths to date in this war, not the weekly kill rate (which would obviously change from week to week anyway).”
You said Russian “killed” you pillock, go back and look. 1,000 Russian troops were dying on average per month up until September according to the BBC. If we stick with that average monthly death rate then we can estimate about 8,000 to now.
“In addition, Shoigu’s statement put Russia’s own troop losses at 5,937 since the start of the war. The BBC Russian Service and the independent outlet Mediazona, however, used open sources to confirm the deaths of more than 6,000 Russian soldiers in the war as of September. On September 21, Mediazona reported that more than 6,600 Russian losses had been confirmed.”
“The link you cited is out of date and at most would have been up to the end of June. The latest figure is 100K casualties on the Russian side though as ALB points out this includes wounded soldiers too. In terms of actual fatalities on the Russian side, one figure that I have come across is 71200 reported on 1 Nov (so up to the end of October). However, this is a Ukrainian estimate and is likely to be on the high side just as the Russian figure is likely to be on the low side for obvious propaganda reasons. It’s like I said – the exact figure is almost certainly going to be somewhere in between.”
You cited 100,000 Russians “killed”. Complete BS. 72,000 more BS. It’s likely between 6-8,000.
TS continues to deflect from the fact that the assault on Kiev failed. It was now merely a diversion according to him.
TS buys into the Russian story that it was to buy time for the Eastern offensive and that it was not a military miscalculation.
The Russians failed to establish full control over the airport with its elite airborne regiment from which capture they intended to reinforce its vanguard.
And the other supply line, the long convoy of trucks 40 miles in length on the main highway was easy prey to the Ukrainians but according to reports, mostly disorganization and bad planning.
Was it to be the sacrificial lamb if TS is correct, a diversion to pin down Ukrainian forces?
Or part of an intended siege army? Or a relief column for the Russians hanging on at the airport?
What was its mission?Russia call its dispersal, a re-deployment. Others called the retreat a rout.
It was the unsustainability of the attack on Kiev that caused Russia to withdraw the East.
Certainly not as been suggested a peace gesture for negotiations
“What is this, grade 6 stream of consciousness writing? Yawn”.
LOL TS you’ve run out of arguments and now you are reduced to ad homs as your last line of defense. Boy, does it show. You would do well to seek employment as a clown in a circus.
“You said Russian “killed” you pillock, go back and look. 1,000 Russian troops were dying on average per month up until September according to the BBC. If we stick with that number of deaths til now then we can estimate about 8,000 to now.”
You are so muddled you don’t even know what your own sources of evidence are saying. The BBC report you cited was dated July 1 so how could it possibly be true that 1,000 Russian troops were dying on average per month up until September according to this self-same BBC report you cite or do you think the monthly kill rate is fixed? Also the BBC report you cite only refers to Russian soldiers’ deaths that have been individually verified by BBC News Russian – namely 4020 up to 24 June. That does not preclude the possibility that many more might have been killed. The UK government for example talks of 15,000 Russian soldiers dead up until 27 June and the Ukrainian government gives a figure of 34K
TN also refuses to answer my question about the possibility of NATO being reformed to become a vehicle for anti imperialism.
“TS continues to deflect from the fact that the assault on Kiev failed. It was now merely a diversion according to him.”
Everyone, this is what brain damage looks like.
“TS buys into the Russian story that it was to buy time for the Eastern offensive and that it was not a military miscalculation.”
Lol. Robotomy thinks that when you want to take a city of 3 million you send 30,000. Genius.
“The Russians failed to establish full control over the airport with its elite airborne regiment from which capture they intended to reinforce its vanguard.”
Two things. 1: the Russians hoped for a quick surrender. 2: if you launch a feint and it’s not convincing, the enemy won’t fall for it.
“And the other supply line, the long convoy of trucks 40 miles in length on the main highway was easy prey to the Ukrainians but according to reports, mostly disorganization and bad planning.”
Lol, Guardian reports. The troops were there for the two reasons stated above.
“Was it to be the sacrificial lamb if TS is correct, a diversion to pin down Ukrainian forces?”
Yes.
“Or part of an intended siege army?”
No.
“Or a relief column for the Russians hanging on at the airport?”
No.
“What was its mission?”
As above.
“Russia call its dispersal, a re-deployment. Others called the retreat a rout.”
The troops were withdrawn as a gesture towards negotiation. It’s not a secret.
“It was the unsustainability of the attack on Kiev that caused Russia to withdraw the East.”
There was no attack.
“Certainly not as been suggested a peace gesture for negotiations”
And you know that how?
“LOL TS you’ve run out of arguments and now you are reduced to ad homs as your last line of defense.”
I don’t know what else to call a series of disorganised thougts.
“Boy, does it show. You would do well to seek employment as a clown in a circus.”
Don’t give up your day job, humor just ain’t your thing.
“You are so muddled you don’t even know what your own sources of evidence are saying. The BBC report you cited was dated July 1 so how could it possibly be true that 1,000 Russian troops were dying on average per month up until September”
There were two contradictory reports about the BBC article and I couldn’t be arsed discovering which was accurate.
“according to this self-same BBC report you cite or do you think the monthly kill rate is fixed?”
No, but averaged 1,000. Then, all of a sudden, and only in the last 3-4 months the death count goes up to 20,000 per month? What you smoking? Do share.
“Also the BBC report you cite only refers to Russian soldiers’ deaths that have been individually verified by BBC News Russian – namely 4020 up to 24 June. That does not preclude the possibility that many more might have been killed.”
But it’s awfully close to what the Russians said they lost. Put two and two together Sherlock.
“The UK government for example talks of 15,000 Russian soldiers dead up until 27”
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
“June and the Ukrainian government gives a figure of 34K”
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
“Lol. Robotomy thinks that when you want to take a city of 3 million you send 30,000. Genius.”
Remind me – when did I say the Russian imperialist forces wanted to take Kyiv with 30,000 soldiers? I simply said they made an assault on Kyiv as they continue to do with their missile launches today. You like putting words into other people’s mouths, don’t you TS?
________________________“There were two contradictory reports about the BBC article and I couldn’t be arsed discovering which was accurate.”
No stoopid -the contradiction is entirely yours insofar as you cited a BBC report dated 1 July to tell us what you thought the BBC imagined the kill rate was several months later…
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“The UK government for example talks of 15,000 Russian soldiers dead up until 27”
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!”
And Truly Stupid believes the propaganda the Russian military puts out about fatalities among its soldiers
haahahahahahahahaahah!
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