Russian Tensions
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TrueScotsman
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“I thought you were referring to Zelensky.”Moron Socialista doesn’t know which day of the week it is. There’s clearly something not quite right going on upstairs. Don’t pay him any heed, I certainly don’t.
TrueScotsman
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“Stephan articles are always on the spot The concept of false flag is a term widely used by the conspiracists theoriticians”Right, false flags are like unicorns, they don’t exist. Moron Socialista, there are entire branches of the military that do nothing but manufacture lies and false flags. It’s called miltary deception. Back to kindergarten for you.
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The only way that you can answer a message is by insulting others members of this forum ? Will that include the Russian army ? If you are so brave with a keyboard why don’t you join the Russian army to fight in Ukraine ? The Colombian FARC is looking for voluntaries to fight in the jungles for national liberation, you can join them too. Send us a picture with your files in your hands. I have read those conspiracy theory before you, you are just an amateur, most of them are related to the USA, but none are related to the Soviet Union or Russia, most of those anti yanks are not anti capitalist, they are just nationalists who are willing to support their own ruling classMODERATOR NOTICE
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TrueScotsman
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“The only way that you can answer a message is by insulting others”You call me names then I call you names, that’s how this works. Or is “conspiracy theorist” not a “name”?
Conspiracy theories is not a name calling, it is a concept, and it is not a personal conception applicable to one person in particular, but now calling peoples in this forum name as half brain, moron etc, it is an insult, and it is personal too
I think in this thread it was published an articles titled Conspiracy theory vs socialist logic, and that is not the description given, you are jus trying to justify your ideas, and the concept was not used against you, it was against the conception. If you want to take it personally, it is you problem, If you continue calling me moron I will continue reporting you to the moderator of this forum. Donald Trump fired his Secretary of State known as Red Tyllerson because he called him Moron. You are digging your own grave. I have been in this forum for several years and I have never seen a situation like this one, where every message published is responded with an insult
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“Zelensky does nothing but lie. He’s been lying since he came into office. Since when has he paid a price? ”
——————————————BOTH sides lie but unlike bootlickers of the Putin capitalist regime like you, we socialists don’t fall for the lies of just one side. We condemn both
“When was Russia invaded? When was there any attack on Russia?”
When Donbass was recognised as independent it sought protection from Russia against Ukrainian agression.
__________________________________________Well from the capitalist perspective that TS endorses, if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further? Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv? The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.
Not that we socialists care two hoots about the capitalist concept of the nation-state or so-called “national liberation”, mind you, even if a rabid anti-socialist right winger like TS evidently does
“Well from the capitalist perspective that TS endorses”
Oh, that’s interesting. As I’ve no recollection of ever having done so, do quote my endorsement of capitalism. I have all year.
“if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further?”
Because the only way to protect Donbas is to defeat Ukraine militarily.
“Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv?”
There was no assault on Kiev.
“The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.”
All government is by definition authoritarian. Civilization cannot exist without a measure of authoritarianism. Only those with no understanding of how the world actually operates believe otherwise. That aside, Russia is shredding Ukraine’s military and demilitarising NATO. Explain to me how that is a blunder?
“Not that we socialists”
You’re not socialists. You’re posers.
“a rabid anti-socialist right winger like TS evidently does”
Lol, I’ve been called many things in my life but never that. Good one, Robotomy.
“Oh, that’s interesting. As I’ve no recollection of ever having done so, do quote my endorsement of capitalism. I have all year.”
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LOL You have unequivocally taken the side of the Russian capitalist regime in this dispute. That speaks for itself. Socialists don’t take sides in capitalist disputes. And you have made abundantly clear your disdain for Marxian socialism————————————–
“if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further?”Because the only way to protect Donbas is to defeat Ukraine militarily.
————————————Evasion. If the Putin capitalist regime wanted to “protect Donbas” why did it not simply station its troops in Donbas and go no further than the Donbas? All you are doing is desperately thrashing around trying to concoct some contrived reason for justifying Russian imperialism. Call a spade a spade
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“Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv?”
There was no assault on Kiev.
———————————Oh? You could have fooled me. Perhaps you haven’t been following the news. Perhaps like sleeping beauty, you have fallen into a deep sleep for most of the year https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-kyiv-fights-back-against-russian-assault/g-60930036
oh and by the way what are the missiles raining down on Kiev and other Ukrainian cities recently if not an “assault”?
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“The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.”All government is by definition authoritarian. Civilization cannot exist without a measure of authoritarianism. Only those with no understanding of how the world actually operates believe otherwise. That aside, Russia is shredding Ukraine’s military and demilitarising NATO. Explain to me how that is a blunder?
————————————————————LOL So much ignorance packed in so small a space! Demilitarising NATO? Gawd you are such a clown, TS. NATO has been MASSIVELY reinforced and bolstered thanks to Russia’s imperialist actions in Ukraine and its membership is set to expand too. Defence spending in NATO countries is on the up as well. If any country is being shredded militarily and economically apart from Ukraine it is Russia itself thanks to the decisions of your beloved hero, Mr Putin, whose books you adoringly lick like some besotted puppy. As for your point about government being authoritarian – yes that’s quite true. Or as Marx put it the state is inseparable from a condition of slavery and its very existence implies the existence of a ruling class. You might happily endorse the idea of a ruling class but socialists dont
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“You’re not socialists. You’re posers.”
———————————-Again. LOL. You haven’t got a clue about socialism, have you? So you are in no position to comment. But then right-wing fascists like yourself, endorsing an authoritarian capitalist regime such as exists in Russia (and equally in Ukraine) tend to be pretty clueless on this subject. Tell me TS do you exude the same feeling of warm sympathy and kindred spirit for other authoritarian figures such as Mr Trump as you do towards Mr Putin seeing as you are such a fan of authoritarianism? I’m just curious….
Putin surely rivals Zelensky as the consummate opportunist capitalist politician
Ts “Bojo’s Brain Fart is still playing dress ups as a Tween Vogue pseudo-scientist.”
Just keep on denying the science mate, keep hurling insults, keep decending into the dark triad.
Denial or abnegation is a psychological defence mechanism first put forward by psychoanalyst Freud and furhter researched by his daughter Anna Freud. In the use of denial a person is faced with a fact that is “too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.”
Simple question for you TN
As an “Anti imperialist” is it possible for Nato to reform itself to become an anti imperialist body. Many of the countries in Nato have no significant history of what you would describe as imperialism (for example Poland, Luxemburg, Czech Republic, Solvakia, Norway, etc.) would it not be possible for Nato to become in your terms anti imperialist?“”LOL You have unequivocally taken the side of the Russian capitalist regime in this dispute.”
Yeah, I have chosen a side I wish to win, the side fighting the Nazis directly and Natostani imperialism indirectly, as all socialists should. Nowhere have I endorsed capitalism.
“That speaks for itself.”
Erm, no it doesn’t.
“Socialists don’t take sides in capitalist disputes.”
This dispute isn’t over capitalism it’s over security, sovereignty and the right to resist NATOstani imperialism.
“And you have made abundantly clear your disdain for Marxian socialism”
Only the demented pretzel you’ve selectively quoted into existence in your fevered imaginings. A version of Marxism shared by no one else on Earth but your sparsely attended mutual masturbation society.
“If the Putin capitalist regime wanted to “protect Donbas” why did it not simply station its troops in Donbas and go no further than the Donbas?”
Because those weren’t Russia’s sole war aims. The denazification and demilitarization/
deNATOization of Ukraine were also aims.“All you are doing is desperately thrashing around trying to concoct some contrived reason for justifying Russian imperialism.”
Russia is not imperialist. It is fighting imperialism and most of the world supports its fight.
“Oh? You could have fooled me.”
Well, that’s hardly difficult Robotomy, you get all your news from the Guardian after all.
“Perhaps you haven’t been following the news. Perhaps like sleeping beauty, you have fallen into a deep sleep for most of the year https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-kyiv-fights-back-against-russian-assault/g-60930036”
LOL, you think Russia tried to take a city of 3 million with 30 thousand troops? What’s a word to describe someone whose stupider than a person lobotomosed?
“oh and by the way what are the missiles raining down on Kiev and other Ukrainian cities recently if not an “assault”?”
There was no attempt by ground forces to take the city. Do I need to say it more slioooooowly so you can understand, child?
“NATO has been MASSIVELY reinforced and bolstered thanks to Russia’s imperialist actions in Ukraine”
Right, and all those tens of bilions of dollars of weapons NATO countries have sent to Ukraine, what happened to them? Oh that’s right, Russia destroyed them all.
“and its membership is set to expand too.”
Lol, now that Finland has joined Putin must be quaking in his boots!
“Defence spending in NATO countries is on the up as well.”
More shit for Russia to destroy. Whose gonna tire of that equation first?
“If any country is being shredded militarily and economically apart from Ukraine it is Russia itself”
A Robotomised Guardian Brah would think that. Meanwhile, in the real world…
“As for your point about government being authoritarian – yes that’s quite true. Or as Marx put it the state is inseparable from a condition of slavery and its very existence implies the existence of a ruling class. You might happily endorse the idea of a ruling class but socialists dont”
Erm, yeah, they do until it withers away. You forget that bit?
“Again. LOL. You haven’t got a clue about socialism, have you?”
Evidently more than you. I know one of its adherents’ major tenets is solidarity. You have none with socialists anywhere in the world. It’s why your “party” is, and will always remain, irrelevant.
“So you are in no position to comment.”
And yet here I am, commenting. Yet one more thing you’re wrong about.
“But then right-wing fascists like yourself”
Lol, I was merely right wing a few posts ago, now I’m also fascist? These words, I don’t think they mean what you think they mean.
“endorsing an authoritarian capitalist regime such as exists in Russia”
I endorse the battle against Nazism and for sovereignty, security and multipolarity. By opposing Russia’s fight you oppose these things.
“Tell me TS do you exude the same feeling of warm sympathy and kindred spirit for other authoritarian figures such as Mr Trump”
Trump supported the Nazis in Ukraine. He sent them hundreds of millions of dollars in arms. He did nothing to dismantle the US empire. He oversaw the largest transfer of wealth from poor to rich in history with his tax cuts, etc. The only two things he did that I approved of was not starting any new wars and attempting dialogue with DPRK.
“you are such a fan of authoritarianism? I’m just curious….”
I’m not a fan of authoritarianism but recognise its necessity in maintaining civilization. Name a single society on earth that won’t get authoritarian with you if you go on a mindless killing spree. Just one. I have until the end of time.
Yeah, I have chosen a side I wish to win, the side fighting the Nazis directly and Natostani imperialism indirectly, as all socialists should. Nowhere have I endorsed capitalism.
———————————————-You don’t need to say “I support capitalism” in order to support capitalism. You support capitalism because you thoroughly endorse its supporting ideology of nationalism as well as a key piece of its institutional architecture – the nation-state (you think “national sovereignty” is something to be valued!). And you previously poured scorn on the concept of Marxian socialism: a non-market stateless alternative to capitalism.
As previously explained you have no understanding of imperialism whatsoever. As a gullible right-wing supporter of Russian imperialism, you have that in common with naive leftists with their gibberish about “national liberation struggles”. Imperialism is not limited to overt military conquest. It is an expression of capitalism’s expansionist dynamic and since capitalism is global so is every part of the world, imperialist – latently or manifestly. Imperialism is hardwired into the very nature of the modern capitalist nation-state. Russia is no less imperialist than the US for example even if it is not as successful as an imperialist power as the US
_____________________________________________“LOL, you think Russia tried to take a city of 3 million with 30 thousand troops? What’s a word to describe someone whose stupider than a person lobotomosed?”
Look up the word “assault”, [insult removed by moderator].
Here, since you give a passable impression of being as thick as shite, I will help you with a definition randomly lifted from the interent: “Assault is generally defined as an intentional act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact.”
You don’t need to intend to capture a city of 3 million in order to “assault” it. Geddit?
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“Right, and all those tens of bilions of dollars of weapons NATO countries have sent to Ukraine, what happened to them? Oh that’s right, Russia destroyed them all.”Seriously? So the Russian military should have no problem strolling back into Kherson tomorrow in that case since it would have no reason to expect any military resistance. You are such a clown, TS
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“Defence spending in NATO countries is on the up as well.”
“More shit for Russia to destroy. Whose gonna tire of that equation first?”
Do you seriously imagine Russia’s capacity to manufacture advanced modern weaponry is greater than that of the NATO countries combined? You are living in a dream world TS.
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“If any country is being shredded militarily and economically apart from Ukraine it is Russia itself”A Robotomised Guardian Brah would think that. Meanwhile, in the real world…”
How many Russian soldiers do you think have been killed or wounded in this war, TS? How much Russian equipment has been destroyed or simply captured by the Ukrainian forces? Do you seriously imagine the Russian economy is not being seriously impacted by this war? What do you imagine the “real world” is outside of your little bubble, eh?
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“Evidently more than you. I know one of its adherents’ major tenets is solidarity. You have none with socialists anywhere in the world. It’s why your “party” is, and will always remain, irrelevant.”Drivel as usual. The comrades in the Azov battalion in Ukraine no doubt exhibit “solidarity” toward each other and by your pisspoor line of reasoning must therefore be considered as putting into effect a major tenet of “socialism”. Why don’t you trot off and join the Azov comrades in that case? You are the consummate muddlehead
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“I’m not a fan of authoritarianism”
But you have no problem supporting a thoroughly obnoxious authoritarian capitalist regime in its war against another equally obnoxious authoritarian capitalist regime. Logic was never your strong suite was it, TS?
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