Russian Tensions
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DS – “Well, they don’t give a shit because you’re a useless, brainwashed simp for your country’s ruling class. You are irrelevant and your views don’t matter a jot.”
So why are you here, then?
https://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/07/mandela-godfather-of-neo-apartheid.html
Nelson Mandela was another ‘national liberator” who collaborated with the ruling class. There was also a black capitalist class in South Africa which was part of the whole capitalist class
TS: “The Guardian is a mouth piece of the British establishment. It is as trustworthy as a used car salesman running a Ponzi scheme. The fact you credulously quote from it is a sign of just how politically unsophisticated you are. Guardian Bros, lol.”
——————————————————Nice evasion TS. And where, pray, is your evidence that refutes what the Guardian said? As usual, you are all mouth. You don’t like the messenger so you dismiss the message. Automatically. Anyone who does not hold your point of view must be wrong by definition. How arrogant. So, Mr Political Sophistication, where is your counter-evidence or are we expected just to take your word for it that the Guardian piece was flat wrong in making its claim? How unsophisticated! By the way, did you even read what the article said? My guess is you did not and that consequently you are making your comments completely in the dark
“All of these movements without exception have ended up fully embracing capitalism.”
Complete fantasy. But it is true that there have been failures.
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Point to one example of a successful so-called national liberation movement that has not ended up administering the system of production for the market with to a realizing profit. Just one example. Many of these new capitalist regimes have ended up actively soliciting foreign investment and suppressing their local populations to render them more pliant to capitalist exploitations whether at the hands of foreign investors or the local comprador bourgeoisie.
For all your hot air it seems you know next to nothing about socialism , capitalism or indeed politics in general But do carry on making a laughing stock of yourself TS, I find it quite entertaining to tell the truth
TS is a prime example of my definition of IDEOLOGY vs philosophy/analytical thought. As an ideology-follower, he can only repeat the slogans of his Bolshevik masters/propagandists. Never does any social analysis intervene.
“For an antisocialist supporter of the disgusting imperialist capitalist regime of Putin”
Russia is not imperialist….Put simply, Kiev lost all right to rule over its Russian speaking minority when it attempted to ethnically cleanse them from the east. The population of the liberated regions happily voted to rejoin their historic motherland. Are you going to deny them agency and object? Well, they don’t give a shit because you’re a useless, brainwashed simp for your country’s ruling class.
_________________________________________________LOL TS It is not unusual for an imperialist power to annex some neighbouring territory on the pretext that the populace there is ethnically or culturally akin to the imperialist power in question. That doesn’t make the actions of that power any the less “imperialist”
But let us, for the sake of argument, assume you are right. Let us look at how the actual invasion of Ukraine proceeded. The Russian military did not just enter the Donbass to protect the civilian population there. No, it entered via the North, via Belarus and went as far as the outskirts of Kiev. And you reckon that this is not the blatant act of an imperialist power eh? LOL
By the way, I am not apologizing for the Ukrainian regime. I’ve made it perfectly clear this is a capitalist squabble between two capitalist entities (one of which you support as an antisocialist). Maybe it’s because you are clearly a sandwich or two short of a picnic that you can’t seem to grasp the concept that the “enemy of an enemy is not necessarily a friend.”
Saying that I am a …er..” useless, brainwashed simp for your country’s ruling class” shows what a clown you truly are. You couldn’t argue your way out of a paper bag if you tried TS. In case you weren’t aware the British ruling class actually sides with the Ukrainian ruling class in this conflict. I don’t and the SPGB does not. So do please explain – how then can we possibly be “simping” for this class when we oppose both regimes in this conflict?
“There are 93 million in the CPC. Who’s winning the battle of ideas?”
The Communist (sic!) Party of China is the club for China’s capitalist class. During Mao’s regime it was a nationalist clique that imposed itself on the population and inflicted on workers and peasants decades of misery, bloodshed, torture, intimidation and coercive regimentation, promoting the idolatry of one man and his sycophantic clique-members. It never had anything to do with ideas or freethought, which require free people and democratic, free expression. It destroyed centuries of literary works and records, and thought was subjected to fascist control.
Today, the CPC remains an imposed authoritarian tool of Chinese capitalism and imperialism.“There are 93 million in the CPC. Who’s winning the battle of ideas?”
I guess our resident clown, TS, must think that the Nazis were “winning the battle of ideas” when the Nazi Party secured 37.3 percent of the popular vote in the July 1932 elections…
He seems to think the validity of an idea or an argument depends on how much support it attracts. There was a time when 99.99 percent of the populace believed the sun revolved around the earth. ‘Nuff said
A clear indication of the futility of the anti-Marxist concept of national liberation in Vietnam, the Vietcong leaders became the ruling class and now they are one of the best allies of the US capitalist class, and all the Vietcong workers were served on a silver platter to the western corporation, and they are exporting workers like a commodity to others countries, to resolve the crisis of unemployment,
The same goes for the so-called Cuban revolution who rejected the Yankees to embrace the Russian capitalists, they talked a lot about colonialism, but Cuba became a typical colony of the soviet union and they continue with the mono production of sugar like the USA, and they purchased it at a lower price, medical doctors who are human beings are exchanged like a commodity to obtain petroleum from Venezuela, and it is called proletarian internationalism
If Russia is not imperialist, the USA is not imperialist either because every capitalist country is potentially imperialist, or expansionist and it was also demonstrated by Rosa Luxembourg,
It does show a lack of understanding of the logic of capitalism and Marxist economic theory, expansionism is an inherent law of capitalism.
Imperialism is not one country,( the so-called empire ) it is the whole capitalist system, which was the pretext of the Castroists to become allies of the soviet imperialists. The Maoists called it the soviet social imperialism
The same anti-imperialist nonsense is being spread about China which is also imperialist or expansionist
The Nazis, the Fascists, and the Japanese capitalists labeled themselves anti-imperialists.
All these lefties have turned Marxism into a joke or a mockery, and a theory of nationalists started by the opportunist and nationalist Lenin
Moderator Warning
Once more I caution participants on this thread to exercise restraint in their descriptions of their antagonists.
Previously, name-calling became so prevalent I had to delete posts.
I have no wish to do so again
“In the Panama paper (like Putin’s investments)”
Lol, Putin isn’t mentioned in
the CIA op aka the Panama papers.“Gaddafi also had a net worth of more than 200 billion dollars”
BS printed in Fortune magazine, the only reason for being which is to denigrate socialism and to trumpet the superiority of capitalism. And here you are using it as a source as if any of the fanciful nonsense emanating from it is God’s honest truth. Pathetic. As I’ll explain again for the simpletons; the pretzeled reasoning that Gadaafi was fabulously wealthy is that because much of the nation’s resources were nationalised and therefore the property of the state, and that Gadaafi was the head of state therefore all the nation’s nationalised wealth was his! The reasoning is so tortured it has PTSD.
“Musk’s himself said that the only one who has more money than him is Putin”
And what qualifies the charlatan and snake oil salesman Elon Musk as being any kind of expert as to
Putin’s wealth?“he was a colonel of the KGB controlled by gangsters”
Evidence?
“and all those gangsters became part of the Russian capitalist class”
All of them? Every single one? BS.
“they are part of the organized crime in Latin America, and they have investment using straw man in banks, real estate, tourism. hotels, money laundering, drugs, and mining.”
Evidence?
“The so-called land reform ( Mision Zamora ) made in Venezuela took place by authorizing peoples and military to take lands and houses from other peoples under the plan poor vs rich.”
Isn’t that what class struggle is?
“That type of action create a violent situation and several criminal groups were promoted.”
So you don’t believe in class struggle or revolutions? What a funny “socialist” you are.
“Now those groups are part of the organized crime that has spread thru South America ( Tren de Aragua ) by the meantime the government officials were getting rich and richer, and they were also involved in drug trafficking.”
BS.
“Lefties always need heroes, and then those heroes become part of the ruling class, then they get disappointed and grab another hero, and the eternal cycle continues all the time, from failure into failures”
No, we need leaders. Heroes are a happy byproduct.
“I do not know how Gaddafi can be a hero when he ordered a terrorist attack against an airplane carrying 270 innocents peoples”
He didn’t. Lockerbie was carried out by Iran in retaliation for the US shooting down one of their passenger planes.
“he was a terrorist like the same ones that overthrew him”
Bourgeois lies spread by smooth brained simpletons.
“So why are you here, then?”
Hopefully to prevent any actual socialists from wasting their time joining your mutual masturbatio…sorry, “party”.
“Nelson Mandela was another ‘national liberator” who collaborated with the ruling class.”
True, but why? The collapse of the USSR. There was no more support from actual socialists.
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