Russian Tensions
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February 11, 2022 at 10:23 pm #226325AnonymousInactive
ALB, why is the US saying Russia’s request for an assurance Ukraine won’t join NATO is a non-starter?
If, as you say, there are no plans for it to join, why not give the assurance, instead of paying out for all this extra NATO activity?
February 11, 2022 at 11:13 pm #226326AnonymousInactiveI think you need some classes in history, first, guerrillas fighter is not an army, most Latin American guerrillas groups do not exist any longer, second Latin America is not the only place that had guerrillas fighters, there are some militias groups in the USA and some other Europeans countries, and also the first guerrilla’s fighters came from Europe, especially in France, third, they are not part of the conversation, you answer shows that you are the old Thomas More who was at this forum already with a different name
February 11, 2022 at 11:21 pm #226327AnonymousInactiveI don’t see why army generals and commanders would be on our little forum. We’re not even worth spying on, because there’s nothing secret about us.
You’re expecting world class consciousness on the part of commanders of modern armed forces in Europe and America? Sudden mutiny when ordered to do their job?
What are you reading … Marvel comics?February 11, 2022 at 11:27 pm #226328AnonymousInactiveNo, I am reading the socialist party articles, we have said many times that members of the armed forces must also be won for the worker’s world socialist revolution. Leninists are the ones who said that members of the armed forces must be killed
February 11, 2022 at 11:48 pm #226330AnonymousInactiveI never said anyone must be killed.
Your submissions here are never relevant to mine.Yes, we include armed forces workers with all workers to learn about socialism.
And are they?
And any soldier who, alone, refuses to obey an order to press a button and kill “enemy” workers would immediately be arrested and replaced by an obedient one.February 12, 2022 at 12:04 am #226331alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe US has warned of the “very distinct possibility” of a Russian invasion of Ukraine in the next few days, potentially involving an overwhelming attack on Kyiv, and told all remaining Americans to leave the country in the next 48 hours.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/11/biden-ukraine-us-russian-invasion-winter-olympics
Hype?
the Russian foreign ministry accused Western countries of spreading false information with help from the media, in order to distract attention from their own aggressive actions.
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February 12, 2022 at 12:19 am #226333alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe current military tensions involving Russia and China exposes that the “Cold War” was never about ideology or rival economic systems.
Russia and China are fully incorporated into the world capitalist order yet the economic and political expansionism that is at the root of the need to accumulate capital, capture markets, secure natural resources and protect trade routes remains the underlying reason for war and preparations for war.
Of course, we won’t find intellectuals and media correcting their mistaken view of history.
Whatever happened to that much touted “peace dividend”?
February 12, 2022 at 2:28 am #226338alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWho remembers Scott Ritter who exposed the US/UK WMD lies?
Russia’s goal is not to destroy Ukraine—this could be accomplished at any time. Rather, the goal of Russia is to destroy NATO by exposing its impotence, writes Scott Ritter…It may take years for NATO to go away, but let no one be fooled by what is happening—NATO is finished as an alliance.
February 12, 2022 at 2:49 am #226341alanjjohnstoneKeymasterALB – Does anyone know if the CWO is saying that this is it?
February 12, 2022 at 4:15 am #226342AnonymousInactiveThey have been like the Evangelicals all the time, predicting the end of the world
February 12, 2022 at 5:06 am #226345alanjjohnstoneKeymasterDer Spiegel reported Friday that Russia is planning to invade Ukraine on Wednesday, Feb. 16.
Der Speigel suggests that one possible U.S. tactic to scupper Russian plans is to make them public, including the invasion date.
February 12, 2022 at 8:28 am #226346AnonymousInactiveThe Evangelicals will really be going to town now!
February 12, 2022 at 8:30 am #226347ALBKeymasterAnd the trolls as well !
February 12, 2022 at 8:54 am #226349ALBKeymasterThanks,Alan, for the CWO link. I see they still stick to their view that there is a cycle of accumulation, over accumulation, war to destroy the “excess” capital, then reconstruction, accumulation, etc. Most of the article is explaining why a global war hasn’t broken out in the last 50 years when it should have happened, on their theory, not long after the post-war boom came to an end in 1973.
Anyway, it ends with this expectation:
“It cannot be predicted when this will lead to a more generalised conflict, although Admiral Davidson, the outgoing head of US command for the Indo-Pacific, openly declared that it would be within “the next six years” (as he, of course, called for an increase in the military budget).The system is inexorably taking us down that more than dangerous road. The actual flashpoint might not be either Ukraine or Taiwan, but in these uncertain times nothing can be ruled out. This is a struggle for mastery over the planet, and it will not go away. As our Italian comrades concluded in a recent article on Taiwan:
‘It is obvious that capitalism is preparing a new conflict of global significance and is not afraid of pushing the planet to the brink, not only on the environmental level, but now openly also on the economic and social level. Even if sometimes unconsciously, capitalism pursues the idea which every sensible human being instinctively hates and rejects: the idea of destruction, as its salvation, its resurrection. By devaluing capital and obtaining the much desired “creative destruction” according to the famous Schumpeter definition, capital would then have the paved the way to restart a new cycle of accumulation as after previous wars, regardless of the effects that this “regeneration” would have on the planet and on its population.’”
This recalls the joke about the person who predicted nine of the last two world economic crises. It doesn’t work in this instance because the CWO haven’t even been right on two occasions since there hasn’t been a world war. The fact is that there doesn’t necessarily need to be one as the economic theory on which it is based is wrong.
February 12, 2022 at 10:20 am #226351AnonymousInactiveNone of these politicians give a s*** about the impact on people’s mental health of all of this.
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