Russian Tensions
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September 10, 2022 at 6:42 pm #232914Thomas_MoreParticipant
And I also got Stalin’s books from Peking FLP:
On The Opposition
Marxism and Problems of Linguistics
and others, all very cheap.GOOD books were also very cheap from FLP Peking.
September 10, 2022 at 7:10 pm #232915AnonymousInactiveRussian Today ( RT ) is an internet Russian newspaper but in the old days it was a magazine or a journal which covered better articles and journalism than RT , and Progress Publisher was completely destroyed and they published most of the works of Marx and Engels at a very low cost including the collected works in volumes, and now and English publisher has copyright. Funny in that time Russia had more freedom to distribute their own literatures and after the Ukraine war the USA imposed restrictions on Russian RT. Nobody can come to come with brainwashing history because I know most of them, they can do that to the younger generation who are only reading comics books.In my younger years our hobby was reading Marx, Engels and Lenin, therefore, we can see that there is an enormous ‘ideological’ retrogression around the world. In the USA there is movement to burn books. I grew in a small town and young peoples were always reading at the public library and sometimes young peoples carried marxist literature inside of a playboy magazine, or a comic book, some leftists organization had their own public libraries and workers used to read their newspapers. The Canadian ML Party had a daily newspaper published in two languages and they were distributed by the members, or corners newsstand
September 10, 2022 at 7:18 pm #232916Thomas_MoreParticipantWhich is the movement to burn books?
I remember Soviet Weekly.
September 10, 2022 at 9:39 pm #232919alanjjohnstoneKeymasterUkraine – the class struggle continues report
https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2022-09-10/a-report-on-socio-economic-unrest-in-ukraine
September 11, 2022 at 1:29 am #232923alanjjohnstoneKeymasterCouncillors in Smolninskoye, a district of St. Petersburg, the city where Vladimir Putin was born, have accused the Russian president of treason.
https://www.dw.com/en/st-petersburg-district-councilors-accuse-putin-of-treason/a-63079503
On Sept. 7, they petitioned the Russian parliament’s lower chamber, the State Duma, to remove President Putin from office over the war on Ukraine.
It mentions four aspects in particular: The destruction of combat-ready Russian army units, the death and injury of young, easily employable Russian citizens, harm to the Russian economy, and the expansion of NATO upon the outbreak of the war, alongside the equipping of Ukrainian forces with modern Western military kit, which actually undermines the objective of “demilitarizing” the country anyway.
“We do not see NATO expansion as a direct threat to Russia, but we are trying to appeal to different target groups [within Russia] with different arguments, to convince them that this whole thing has to end,” says Yuferyev.
September 11, 2022 at 8:17 am #232925TrueScotsmanBlocked“We do not see NATO expansion as a direct threat to Russia”
Clearly this fellow is mentally retarded so anything he has to say should be understood with that in mind.
Why did you publish this Allan? You have stated that you believe NATO expansion was a provocation. Now you linked to an article that takes the opposite view, why?
September 11, 2022 at 8:54 am #232927alanjjohnstoneKeymasterPerhaps anyone who believes that the invasion cannot be called a war but a “special military operation” would have believed Truman’s description that the Korean War was simply a “police action”.
I linked to it, not for the reason that the analysis of why it began is correct. I’m a socialist, he is not so we would not share the same understanding of the causes of any war.
But that it demonstrates that the invasion and the ensuing war does not receive the universal support of the Russian people. That there exists an anti-war sentiment. How strong or popular it is, I really have no idea but it exists and as a socialist, I will do my best to encourage it.
I imagine like any country at war, the majority will favor their own military, for it is their husbands, fathers, sons and brothers who are in danger of being killed by the enemy, after all. Also, as always in war (oops, sorry, SMO), their media will be promoting pro-war feelings of nationalism and patriotism.
I will do my best, no matter how little it might be, to counter-act state propaganda – from both warring sides.
So my motive is similar to Yuferyev’s, as expressed in the article, when he said the petition is really about rallying Russians who are just as concerned as them. “We want to show them that there are many of us, who are against what is going on.”
September 11, 2022 at 9:21 am #232929alanjjohnstoneKeymasterI note that the UK MOD is disputing Putin’s claim that since the embargo was lifted only 60,000 tons of grain has gone to developing countries.
Not true the MOD says. Rather just 30% of the grain has gone to low-mid income countries that are in desperate need of food.
Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine – 11 September 2022
Find out more about the UK government's response: https://t.co/XE7QGQnZeh
🇺🇦 #StandWithUkraine 🇺🇦 pic.twitter.com/88KnwEqDNj
— Ministry of Defence 🇬🇧 (@DefenceHQ) September 11, 2022
According to the UN’s Joint Coordination Centre (JCC) – 100 outbound ships have so far left Ukraine, carrying more than 2.3 million tonnes of grain. The JCC stated that 36% of this had gone to EU countries, while 30% of the cargo has so far gone to low- and lower-middle-income countries.
17% reached African countries; (10%), Sudan (3%), Kenya (2%), Somalia (1%) and Djibouti (1%).
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/putin-says-nearly-ukraines-grain-120906213.html
And that is supposed to be good news according to the British MOD
September 11, 2022 at 9:56 am #232931TrueScotsmanBlocked“Perhaps anyone who believes that the invasion cannot be called a war but a “special military operation” would have believed Truman’s description that the Korean War was simply a “police action”.”
I have already explained the reasons why the Kremlin has labeled the conflict an SMO. You failed to address my comments directly then yet now do so as an aside in a most cowardly fashion. You are not a good faith interlocutor but instead a base rhetorician attempting to score political points on the sly.
“I linked to it, not for the reason that the analysis of why it began is correct. I’m a socialist, he is not so we would not share the same understanding of the causes of any war.”
Rubbish. You linked to the article because you are an unprincipled and unctuous charlatan. One moment you claim to support the position that Russia was provoked, the next you deny it. You are a liberal. You float on the breeze and blow in whatever direction the bourgeois propaganda spinmeisters determine.
“But that it demonstrates that the invasion and the ensuing war does not receive the universal support of the Russian people. That there exists an anti-war sentiment. How strong or popular it is, I really have no idea but”
Then Google it, it’s not hard to find out. According to the viciously anti-Russuan WaPo, 75% of Russians support the SMO.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/07/russia-war-ukraine-public-opinion/
“it exists and as a socialist, I will do my best to encourage it.”
It barely exists. And being a socialist in no way implies that one is opposed to defeating fascists on the battlefield. Where on earth did you come to that conclusion?
“I imagine like any country at war, the majority will favor their own military, for it is their husbands, fathers, sons and brothers who are in danger of being killed by the enemy, after all.”
Russians favour the SMO because it is being fought against Nazis. Are you opposed to a war against Nazis? Don’t answer, you are a coward, your answer is yes. You’d willingly walk into the oven because you have no spine.
“Also, as always in war (oops, sorry, SMO), their media will be promoting pro-war feelings of nationalism and patriotism.”
You believe that Russia was drawn into this conflict through provocation do you not? How did you arrive at that conclusion if not through the media?
“I will do my best, no matter how little it might be, to counter-act state propaganda – from both warring sides.”
Fuck off. You constantly post articles by the BBC and Guardian that are nothing but state propaganda. As I’ve stated earlier, this gives your gaggle of cultists the impression that the linked to articles are reliable sources of information when nothing could be further from the truth.
“So my motive is similar to Yuferyev’s, as expressed in the article, when he said the petition is really about rallying Russians who are just as concerned as them. “We want to show them that there are many of us, who are against what is going on.””
Sure, there are “many” technically but they are only a fraction of the Russian population who, like you, have been brainwashed by the billions spent on Western MSM propaganda.
September 11, 2022 at 10:15 am #232932Thomas_MoreParticipantInteresting piece here too, Alan:
Russian Communist lawmaker warns of ‘more orphans’ if Ukraine war continues
Of course, the CP leadership still about silencing any voices that dissent from “the party line.”
When such people are in power, of course, we see them imprisoning, killing and torturing dissenters, like any fascist (Red or White) clique. And forcing workers into killing one another.
September 11, 2022 at 11:42 am #232939TrueScotsmanBlocked“Of course, the CP leadership still about silencing any voices that dissent from “the party line.””
It’s called democratic centralism and it is highly justified. Look it up, you might learn something.
“”When such people are in power, of course, we see them imprisoning, killing and torturing dissenters, like any fascist (Red or White) clique.””
Sure, because communists are actually Nazis. At least that’s what liberals such as yourself seem to think.
“And forcing workers into killing one another.”
Oh, that’s right. Because Nazis are just “workers” don’t you know? Lol
September 11, 2022 at 11:52 am #232941alanjjohnstoneKeymasterHow convenient it is to avoid the term war. In Northern Ireland, they called the civil war there, “The Troubles”
TS, this is a 146-page discussion thread that began before the actual invasion. As a latecomer, I don’t expect you to be aware of the details of the long debate that has been conducted before posting your diatribe.
There were already 36 pages of debate on the various pretexts for war even before the actual invasion took place.
Until it actually began, the consensus was the war would not break out and would be settled by diplomacy.
How wrong most of us were.
And we all admit that miscalculation.
But I suppose you with your prophetic powers of prediction could foretell in advance what would happen in the future. Because you are still claiming a special insight into the course of the war.
Contributors, including myself, have been concerned to expose the war-mongers in the West who pushed Ukraine into rejecting peace negotiations and still pressure its leaders into not making any compromises or concessions.
The position held now by ourselves is to advocate for an immediate end of hostilities, even if it does mean Ukraine ceding its sovereignty over the territory now occupied by Russian troops.
And yes we did take a stand in WW2 against fighting Nazis, as did the Communist Party, at least up to 1941 and Barbarossa. We, however, remained consistent in opposing the war
September 11, 2022 at 12:54 pm #232944TrueScotsmanBlocked“How convenient it is to avoid the term war.”
Yet again you fail to address what I actually said about the SMO and why it’s not a war. You are probably unaware of the fact but Ukraine does not consider itself at war either. Perhaps you think you know more about the conflict than both belligerents, but I doubt it.
“In Northern Ireland, they called the civil war there, “The Troubles””
And that’s relevant….How?
“TS, this is a 146-page discussion thread that began before the actual invasion. As a latecomer, I don’t expect you to be aware of the details of the long debate that has been conducted before posting your diatribe.”
When I contradict you it’s a diatribe? When you contradict me it’s…What exactly?
“Until it actually began, the consensus was the war would not break out and would be settled by diplomacy.
How wrong most of us were.
And we all admit that miscalculation.”
I too thought there would be no war, provided Kiev did not invade Donbass that is. But then Kiev began the preparatory bombardment phase of its ethnic cleansing operation and the Kremlin was forced to act.
U.S. Intelligence Says Putin Made a Last-Minute Decision to Invade Ukraine
“But I suppose you with your prophetic powers of prediction could foretell in advance what would happen in the future. Because you are still claiming a special insight into the course of the war.”
Is that a fact? What special insight do you believe it is that I claim to possess?
“Contributors, including myself, have been concerned to expose the war-mongers in the West who pushed Ukraine into rejecting peace negotiations and still pressure its leaders into not making any compromises or concessions.”
Out of one side of your mouth, you claim Russia was provoked and out of the other you propose it was not. So which is it?
“The position held now by ourselves is to advocate for an immediate end of hostilities, even if it does mean Ukraine ceding its sovereignty over the territory now occupied by Russian troops.”
That is my position also.
“And yes we did take a stand in WW2 against fighting Nazis, as did the Communist Party, at least up to 1941 and Barbarossa. We, however, remained consistent in opposing the war”
So what was the Soviet Union to do after the Nazi invasion? Surrender? You must be joking?
September 11, 2022 at 3:55 pm #232945WezParticipant‘And yes we did take a stand in WW2 against fighting Nazis, as did the Communist Party, at least up to 1941 and Barbarossa. We, however, remained consistent in opposing the war’
Alan – If we had known about the barbarities of the holocaust would we still have opposed the war against the Nazis?
September 11, 2022 at 4:13 pm #232948Bijou DrainsParticipantNo doubt the Putin loving True Scotsman would have at least supported Hitler’s oppression of gay people.
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