Russian Tensions
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“So, the workers of Ukraine are “Nazis”, to be bombed?”
Many are, yes. Certainly if you consider soldiering “work”.
“Just because they live in this town or that, with their families, or alone. Old men and women, children, with pets;”
No, not “just for that”. For being vile, murderous, Zieg Heiling Nazis. It’s hardly a secret that Ukraine is infested with them.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/04/azovreplist.html
“”they could be against the Kiev regime, or just want to live in peace. But you cry “Nazis!” no matter who they are, and praise the bombing.”
I’ve said no such thing. You are straw manning me. As the one true Scotsman I can spot a logical fallacy from twenty paces.
“One thing for sure, for every actual Nazi you kill, there’ll be a hundred innocent people dying,”
Erm, no. Most of the fighting is going on in rural areas. Most of the casualties there are soldiers not civilians.
“losing those they care for, losing everything, while Putin and Zelensky cry war.”
Putin tried for 8 long years to resolve the conflict. It was the US/UK/EU that insisted on war, not Russia.
“Damn your pro-capitalist, murderous crap!”
I’m an atheist, I don’t believe in damnation.
“What has Putin done about Sweden and Finland joining Nato? Nothing.”
What you mean to say is nothing yet. See what happens if NATO attempts to place missile silos in Finland. One thing’s for sure, it won’t be at top of “world’s best places to live” lists any longer.
“And in the era of hypersonic missiles, the geographical location of missile bases is irrelevant.”
Rubbish, such weapons make it even more imperative that there are no missile silos on Russia’s doorstep.
“I think the invasion was about securing pipelines and the huge unexploited gas fields in Ukraine, the largest in Europe outside Norway.”
Well that only goes to show how little you know. Putin did his utmost to avoid the conflict. He insisted for years that Ukraine implement the Minsk 2 Agreement which would have avoided the conflict entirely.
“If you look on a map, the gas fields are precisely underneath the Russian-occupied areas.”
It’s also where most of the ethnic Russians live. The ones who were being slaughtered by Nazis for 8 years.
“Were these to fall into western hands, Russia’s economy would be cut off at the knees.”
Bollocks. Russia has trillions of dollars worth of unexploited resources already. Putin pushed hard for Minsk to be implemented. How does that fit with your silly little conspiracy theory?
“I also think Putin is becoming increasingly isolated, deranged and unrepresentative of Russian ruling class interests”
You, a good “socialist” parroting word for word bourgeois MSM propaganda. Didn’t they teach you anything in socialism school?
“as evidenced by the fact that he is assassinating dissenting Russian oligarchs with gay abandon”
Who’s Gay Abandon? She sounds like a badass. What billionaires, sorry “oligarchs” is Putin assassinating? Name a few.
“including their wives and children.”
I call bull shit. Citation needed.
“Surely a palace coup can not be far off?”
Let’s bet on it. As W C Field said, “It’s morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money.”
A Nazi is what you sound like to me.
“Infested” – a favourite word of the Nazis in designating people.What further proof is needed that Antifascists and Fascists are the same thing?
““Infested” – a favourite word of the Nazis in designating people.”
When one third of your military are far-right fascists you have an infestation. What would you call it?
“I call bull shit. Citation needed.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62750584
The chairman of Russia’s Lukoil oil giant, Ravil Maganov, has died after falling from a hospital window in Moscow, reports say.
Shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine, the Lukoil board called for the conflict to end as soon as possible, expressing its sympathy to victims of “this tragedy”.
Several Russian energy oligarchs have died in unusual circumstances in recent months:
The body of millionaire Novatek former manager Sergei Protosenya was found alongside his wife and daughter at a Spanish villa in April
A former vice-president of Gazprombank, Vladislav Avayev, was found dead with his wife and daughter in their Moscow flat, also in April
In May, a former Lukoil tycoon Alexander Subbotin died of heart failure, reportedly after seeking alternative treatment from a shaman.“In May, a former Lukoil tycoon Alexander Subbotin died of heart failure, reportedly after seeking alternative treatment from a shaman.”
Lol. So Russian assassins are posing as shamans in order to neutralise elderly wealthy people?
The article provides zero evidence of any Russian government involvement in the deaths. Go back to socialism school, your credulous acceptance of bourgeois MSM propaganda is embarrassing to watch.
When Thatcher was in power, and I was in Paris, an American youth heard my English accent in the local post office and started shouting abuse at me because he hated Thatcher. You remind me of him.
By the way, what would you do with deserters from the Russian army in Ukraine? Or worse, mutineers?
And I presume you would have joined in the Stalinist attacks on the SPGB during WW2, and called us Nazis.
No state goes to war to “stop Nazism” – not Putin, and not Russia or Britain in WW2. States go to war over sources of mineral wealth, strategic and trade routes. You are a fool to think states fight over ideology. You do not understand capitalism.
I am proud to be a member of the only party that consistently refuses to support all war.
Our hands are clean. You bloody yours by supporting Putin’s slaughter in Ukraine. Even if it was provoked by the Western powers. It is provocation of a capitalist state by other capitalist states. We shun it as mass murder, whatever the colour of the flag.
What is more likely, that prominent rich opponents of Putin’s war happen to die accidentally in bizarre circumstances, along with their wives and children, and within a short space of time, or that Putin’s hit men are on a campaign to scare the shit out of anyone who speaks out against him?
I feel sorry for the kids, they didn’t deserve to die like that, whatever their parents did. To see you making a joke out of all this is pretty sickening too.
Anyone who can justify the bombing of cities and wholesale murder is sickening.
“Oh, but they are Nazis!” …
How sickeningly pathetic.
A bit of education for the “True Stalinist”, oops! “True Scotsman.”
“I don’t have a military.”
Never said you did. But the society you’re a member of does and however obliquely you aid in its perpetuation.
“And, unlike you, I don’t support any military.”
Yes, and that is why your party is less than a footnote in world history. You lack the insight that only power, not naval gazing, changes the world. Without power you cannot defend the gains of revolution. Your party will never understand this and so will remain irrelevant for all eternity.
“When Thatcher was in power, and I was in Paris, an American youth heard my English accent in the local post office and started shouting abuse at me because he hated Thatcher. You remind me of him.”
I can’t think why. I’ve never shouted at anyone at the post office.
“By the way, what would you do with deserters from the Russian army in Ukraine? Or worse, mutineers?”
I doubt there are many. They’re all volunteers. But what usually happens? Courts marshals, no?
“And I presume you would have joined in the Stalinist attacks on the SPGB during WW2, and called us Nazis.”
I don’t know of the SPGB but if they were undermining the war effort then they deserved whatever they got.
“No state goes to war to “stop Nazism””
Erm, the Soviet Union did. It really is time for you to go back to socialism school. I think I know why that American was yelling at you now.
“States go to war over sources of mineral wealth, strategic and trade routes.”
Russia already has all those things. Russia went to war to ensure its security, from NATO and fascist thugs.
“You are a fool to think states fight over ideology.”
If it remained an ideology, like with your little mutiual masturbation society, it wouldn’t be a problem. Unlike you lot the Nazis understand that it is only with raw power that one can shape the world to one’s will. The Nazis have heavy weapons and an airforce. That is the reason Russia is at war, not naval gazing.
“You do not understand capitalism.”
A system of wealth accumulation based on the exploitation of labor. That a good start?
“I am proud to be a member of the only party that consistently refuses to support all war.”
And would you be equally proud of doing nothing if a mad man ran amok through a kindergarten? Slaughtering innocents willy nilly? You’d probably lament, “But he’s a worker! You can’t put a stop to his rampage he’s a wage laborer!” What a joke.
“Our hands are clean.”
Mot much of a mutual masturbation society if your hands are clean afterward. You’re clearly doing something wrong.
“You bloody yours by supporting Putin’s slaughter in Ukraine.”
I don’t cry at the sight of dead Nazis.
“Even if it was provoked by the Western powers. It is provocation of a capitalist state by other capitalist states.”
Russia is anti-imperialist and friend to the anti-imperialist nations of the world. It supported Syria in its hour of need preventing that nation falling to Isis-head choppers. It supports Cuba, Venezuala, Iran, China, the nations of Africa. What pearl clutching, white, pseudo leftists think of Russia is of no consequence.
“We shun it as mass murder, whatever the colour of the flag.”
Spoken like a true coward.
“What is more likely, that prominent rich opponents of Putin’s war happen to die accidentally in bizarre circumstances, along with their wives and children”
Have you seriously never heard of murder suicide? Happens countless times a day around the world. Or is it something you only believe the unwashed masses get up to? Careful, your white privilege heuristics are showing. You might want to cover that up with some cosmetics.
“and within a short space of time, or that Putin’s hit men are on a campaign to scare the shit out of anyone who speaks out against him?”
The only conspiracy theory I’m comfortable with is Ol’ Nessie. She’s real I tells ya, real as they come.
“I feel sorry for the kids, they didn’t deserve to die like that, whatever their parents did. To see you making a joke out of all this is pretty sickening too.”
Just one more reason you lot will never be popular, you don’t have a sense of humor.
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