Russian Tensions
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May 9, 2022 at 3:15 pm #229427Thomas_MoreParticipant
Moscow will want Transnistria, and Transnistria too, which Moldova won’t accept. So the next step will be the taking of Moldova.
May 9, 2022 at 3:41 pm #229430AnonymousInactiveThey want to take the whole Eastern Europeans region like the Soviet Union did after WW2 with the pretext of the struggle against Nazism
May 9, 2022 at 4:58 pm #229433Thomas_MoreParticipantThen that would lead to nuclear war, because those countries are now in NATO … The very thing you said won’t happen!
May 9, 2022 at 4:59 pm #229434Thomas_MoreParticipantMoldova is not in NATO, but further West they all are.
You are saying Liz Truss was right!
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May 9, 2022 at 5:34 pm #229436Thomas_MoreParticipantMay 9, 2022 at 6:02 pm #229437Bijou DrainsParticipantIf ALB is correct in saying former Captain Ben Wallace is suggesting that NATO should March on Moscow, he’s not only a fool, he clearly never studied the work of Montgomery when he was at Sandhurst.
Montgomery said “the first law of military strategy is Don’t March on Moscow”. Although Montgomery was a vain, opinionated, racist )and possible Penderast). I’d rather trust him in terms of military strategy than the jumped up fuckwit who currently holds the office of Minister of Defence.
May 9, 2022 at 6:50 pm #229439Thomas_MoreParticipantMarching on Moscow would take how long? 120 seconds after he sets off, nuclear missiles would obliterate London, Paris, Berlin, Warsaw etc.
Who’s the one living in the 19th century?
May 9, 2022 at 8:39 pm #229443ALBKeymasterExactly. That’s why NATO won’t do it. Captain Wally is just a windbag like Truss and Borys. But it is still dangerous and provocative talk with the malign aim of prolonging the killing and destruction.
Looking at the serried ranks of trained killers marching past Putin and his generals this morning, I couldn’t help wondering how NATO thinks that Ukraine has any chance of defeating Russia in the end, even with NATO weapons. The Ukrainian armed forces are maybe a couple of rungs above the Afghan army NATO put together but they seem to be an uncoordinated collection of professional soldiers, militias and people who until a month or so ago couldn’t tell one end of a rifle from another. I bet they can’t even march in step, part of training a disciplined army composed of killers who will obey without thinking.
My guess is that if Putin wants the Donbas he will get it. Might is right. That’s the way of the world under capitalism.
May 9, 2022 at 10:09 pm #229444AnonymousInactiveThen that would lead to nuclear war, because those
countries are now in NATO … The very thing you
said won’t happen!I did not say that it is going to happen. It has been in their mind since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the other band want to take all of them to their spheres of influences
May 10, 2022 at 6:48 am #229447alanjjohnstoneKeymasterIt will take decades for Ukraine to be accepted into the European Union, France’s Emmanuel Macron has said in a speech to the EU’s parliament in Strasbourg
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61383632
“That is the truth, unless we decide to lower the standards for accession. And rethink the unity of our Europe.”
May 10, 2022 at 7:41 am #229451ALBKeymasterSomething to be taken into account when assessing some of the wilder speculations expressed here. It’s from Al Jazeera:
“Putin’s speech shows he won’t use nuclear weapons: Ukraine official
An adviser to Zelenskyy has interpreted Putin’s Victory Day speech as indicating that Russia has no interest in escalating the war through the use of nuclear weapons or direct engagement with NATO, the Associated Press reports.
Oleksiy Arestovych pointed to Putin’s statement that Russia would honour the memory of those who fought in World War II by doing “everything so that the horror of a global war does not happen again”.
Translating from “Kremlin speak into Russian,” Arestovych said this means: “There will be no nuclear war. There will be no war with NATO. What will there be? There will be a sluggish attempt to solve three main problems,” which he identified as taking control of the entire Luhansk, Donetsk and Kherson regions.
Arestovych said in an online interview that Russia would drag out the war while bleeding the Ukrainian economy with the aim of getting Ukraine to agree to give up these territories.”Of course Arestovych may just be trying to convince NATO that they can safely give Ukraine more and more arms without provoking such an escalation by Russia. But I don’t suppose NATO’s war strategists need his opinion but his assessment of what Russia would settle for doesn’t seem implausible.
May 10, 2022 at 9:12 am #229454Thomas_MoreParticipantHow will the West extricate itself from the sanctions it has imposed on Russia once the war has been frozen? Won’t such extrication have to be extremely slow, to save face?
And, won’t what remains of Ukraine be under enormous financial debt to the West for all the weaponry it is receiving? They can’t be just giving it all to them!?
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May 10, 2022 at 10:36 am #229457ALBKeymasterGood question. Biden has just signed a lend-lease bill to send war supplies to Ukraine. It contains this clause:
“Under the measure, Ukraine can request streamlined transfers of U.S. weapons and other security assistance. The U.S. will get guarantees that the country will replace or reimburse the assets at a later date.”
Not for free then. A merchant of deaths charter. They will paid upfront and the US pick up the tab and then get the money back from Ukraine (if it can). Britain didn’t repay the Ww2 US lend lease till 2006.
May 10, 2022 at 10:46 am #229458Thomas_MoreParticipantAnd it’ll achieve what, for the West, or for Ukraine?
May 10, 2022 at 10:55 am #229459Thomas_MoreParticipantCan I answer my own question?
It has achieved for the US the end of Nordstream 2, and Europe as a market for American gas.
It has caused a recession in Russia and has weakened any chance for EU independence from Washington.
All the deaths and loss and suffering has been “collateral damage” and no skin off Washington’s nose when contrasted with the above gains.
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