Russian Tensions
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May 6, 2022 at 8:55 am #229367ALBKeymaster
Alan, did you see this from your favourite Pope?
https://news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-suggests-apos-barking-221515078.html
May 6, 2022 at 10:43 am #229368james19ParticipantUpdate on my little spat….
I receive emails when I get replies…
I did a search, and found in 1996? (approx ) before Russia invaded. There was a Ukrainian demonstration, (the Crimea ?)in which police officers were injured!
I know you could report material promoting terrorism or extremism?
Since I reported this coward*, she has stopped posting after I reported her online to authorities and complained about her to the mods..
*Urging fellow workers to fight and die..
Iv seen 2 British men have been arrested by Russians..(both said to have Ukrainian partners* (*this unconfirmed officially to be the case?)
The irony is, I never actually bought the Socialist Worker. I bulked at the price and length of the articles in their magazine NS…
The rest is history- This reply was modified 2 years, 6 months ago by james19.
May 6, 2022 at 8:05 pm #229380alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe global food impact of the war
Add to this the sanctions against Russia will also reduce supply and we face increased food prices across the world
May 6, 2022 at 8:40 pm #229381ALBKeymasterThis is revealing. The Ukrainian regime has clearly ordered their soldiers in the steel plant in Mariupol not to surrender as any other soldiers in the same hopeless situation would have done weeks ago. They are in effect ordering them to die for the “g[l]ory of Ukraine” as this would be good propaganda. Naturally, their families don’t agree and are protesting:
Note too what happened to the men at the protest.
May 7, 2022 at 5:47 am #229385AnonymousInactiveDuring WW2 the soviets did the same thing, anybody who did not want to fight was executed.
They had to fight for the so called socialist land and the church encouraged the peasants to fight.
More than 20 millions peoples died during the patriotic war and later on the Soviet Union collapsed
May 7, 2022 at 11:19 am #229388Thomas_MoreParticipantBut maybe they dare not surrender. Being in the Azov brigade, they might fear the Russian troops would have no mercy, since they are classified as “Nazis.”
May 7, 2022 at 11:30 am #229389Thomas_MoreParticipant““Liberation” under the management of any government or political set-up — what’s that got to do with freedom?” (Makhno)
May 8, 2022 at 9:21 am #229399Thomas_MoreParticipantMay 8, 2022 at 10:40 am #229401ALBKeymasterI think you underestimate the cynicism of those in charge of a state at war and the extent to which they are prepared to sacrifice their own troops to gain some advantage considered more important.
This video interview below is Russian propaganda but quite effective I would have thought:
https://www.rt.com/russia/555139-ukraine-mariupol-surrender-baranyuk/
May 8, 2022 at 3:04 pm #229404ALBKeymasterI wonder if workers in Estonia are prepared to put up with the pain inflicted on them by the economic sanctions their government has imposed on Russia. And if so, for how long?
Mutual Assured Depression working out.
May 8, 2022 at 6:30 pm #229405Thomas_MoreParticipantThey’ll blame Russia. They are fiercely nationalist and russophobic.
May 8, 2022 at 6:46 pm #229406ALBKeymasterThe 25% Russophone minority might take a different view — if they dare.
May 9, 2022 at 1:32 am #229410AnonymousInactiveLockheed – Martin is going to double the production of anti tanks missiles. This war is providing a lot of benefit for the armaments industry and the capitalists states are paying the bills. Guns versus butter, guns always win and we continue supporting an economic system that does not provide us any benefits
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/lockheed-martin-ceo-says-firm-153657619.html
May 9, 2022 at 6:58 am #229413ALBKeymasterThe British Minister of War, Ben Wally (also known as Wallace) is now apparently calling for Putin to be killed.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ben-wallace-putin-must-suffer-same-fate-as-nazis-xppslf2kv
What other interpretation can be put on his call that Putin must meet the same fate as Hitler? To be fair to him, he is saying that Putin should be killed only after a Nuremberg-style show trial and not summarily executed like Bin Laden and the ISIS leader.
Easier said than done of course. To impose victor’s justice you have to be victorious. That would mean not only defeating Russia in Ukraine and driving it out of there but pushing on to conquer Moscow, something neither Napoleon nor Hitler were able to achieve. Wally is billed as a former Guards officer but he never rose above the rank of captain. So his credentials as a military strategist are not very high.
May 9, 2022 at 8:52 am #229415Thomas_MoreParticipantTest post.
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