Russian Tensions
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April 29, 2022 at 1:49 am #229099AnonymousInactive
As U.N. pleads for ceasefire, U.S. prepares for long war against Russia
They do not want peace, they want a long war
April 29, 2022 at 2:38 am #229100alanjjohnstoneKeymasterA British mercenary is killed and is immediately hailed as a war-hero.
April 29, 2022 at 6:57 am #229101ALBKeymasterThat’s assuming that he was a mercenary hired by the Ukrainian state and not a military adviser provided by the British state or a member of the SAS. It would be surprising if there weren’t any British army boots on the soil there.
April 29, 2022 at 7:10 am #229102ALBKeymasterPowerful article by Simon Jenkins in yesterday’s Guardian about what Truss is up to do;
In case it’s behind a paywall here’s how it starts;
“Liz Truss risks recklessly inflaming Ukraine’s war to serve her own ambition
Simon JenkinsThe foreign secretary’s belligerent comments on Russia reduce Ukraine to a pawn in the Conservatives’ power struggle
The foreign secretary, Liz Truss, is playing with fire. On Wednesday night she described Russia’s Vladimir Putin as a “rogue operator” lacking rationality, and with “no interest in international norms”. As a result, she said: “We will keep going further and faster to push Russia out of the whole of Ukraine.” She is clearly revelling in her imagined proxy war on the Russian bear and no one in Whitehall appears able to restrain her.
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Before his stunt visit to Kyiv this month, Boris Johnson also instructed Volodymyr Zelenskiy not to make any concessions to Putin, a line Truss is clearly seeking to rival. It is not unknown for democratic leaders to play war games to excite their electorates, but this must be the first Tory leadership contest fought on the frontiers of Russia.”Normally you would expect the opposition party to expose this sort of thing but the Labour Party is apparently afraid that doing this would undermine its proud claim to be “the party of NATO” and its leftwing MPs have been cowed into submission by threats to be given the Corbyn treatment.
April 29, 2022 at 7:33 am #229103AnonymousInactiveThere are reports indicating that British soldiers are training the Ukrainians armed forces and some British soldiers have been killed too by the Russians soldiers England is directly involved in this conflict
April 29, 2022 at 11:15 am #229105Thomas_MoreParticipantApril 29, 2022 at 11:47 am #229106Thomas_MoreParticipantApril 29, 2022 at 1:57 pm #229107ALBKeymasterI thought I was going to read some breaking news but then I saw the date!
More interesting will be the fate of the Makhno statue in his home town of Hulyaipole (or Gulyaipole as it may be renamed) Russia captures it. I suppose, if hasn’t been destroyed in the preliminary shelling it depends on whether or not he is portrayed as a Ukrainian patriot as, stupidly, here (click preview) but
busts of “Ukrainian patriots” must be selling well these days.April 30, 2022 at 6:45 am #229119ALBKeymasterAfter banning 11 political parties as “pro-Russian”, the Ukrainian regime has now moved on the next stage — getting its secret police to round up the members and supporters of these parties on the grounds that they are “traitors” and “collaborators”:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8797266/ukraine-traitors-russian-army/amp/
It is becoming increasingly clear that the Ukrainian and Russian regimes are as bad as each other.
April 30, 2022 at 8:12 am #229121ALBKeymasterRather surprising piece by MI6-vetted BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner on how most of the world is not supporting NATO in its proxy war with Russia:
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April 30, 2022 at 6:41 pm #229193JHSParticipant“It is becoming increasingly clear that the Ukrainian and Russian regimes are as bad as each other.”
Ukraine didn’t invade Russia though.
Anyone who misses the old Tankie spirit, take a look at this recent video from the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist):
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April 30, 2022 at 7:19 pm #229195Thomas_MoreParticipantWe would say that if the Ukrainian govt cared for the workers, it would have surrendered before any killing started, thus sparing them the horrors of war.
April 30, 2022 at 8:17 pm #229196AnonymousInactivePeace is much better for workers than the stupidity of the so called national liberation and the defend of the homeland
Workers do not own any country abd they will not liberate themselves fighting for their own ruling class and exploiters.
There’s not difference between the regime of Ukraine and the regime of Russia, both are the same shit
May 1, 2022 at 7:31 am #229200ALBKeymasterThat a Maoist group should defend post-USSR Russia so fervently is odd seeing that the Maoists didn’t even regard post-Stalin Russia as socialist and sometimes even referred to it as state capitalist with a new, bureaucratic ruling class. But there is a perverse logic in their position — they are opposed to “imperialism” and, for them, Russia is the victim of Western imperialism and, as such and even as an openly capitalist country, it should be defended.
This ignores the fact, of course, that present-day Russia is as imperialist as it always has been, seeking to expand its territory and spheres of influence. Everyone can see that. “Imperialism” is a slippery concept anyway as any state is potentially imperialist in the sense of expansionist. China, India, Indonesia and Turkey are examples of successful expansionism; Argentina and Iraq of states that tried and failed.
In any event it is not imperialism that is the enemy but capitalism of which imperialism, war and militarism are products.
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