Russian Tensions

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  • #228890
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    I thought Putin said the Ukraine needs to be denazified. Now, according to Tass, it needs to be decommunized.

    What an ignoramus!

    Mind you, the image of Nazis setting up and restoring statues of Lenin does seem rather apt as well as amusing, if Putin wasn’t blasting the lives of workers on both sides.

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    #228892
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    How does “decommunization” square with the canonization of Stalin?

    Will we see “detrotskification”?

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    #228894
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I think that Putin was trying to be funny (believe it or not). Following the coup in 2014 which overthrow the pro-Russia president, the Ukrainian government passed a “de-communisation” law which, among other things, outlawed the Communist Party and ordered the toppling of all Soviet-era statutes including those of Lenin.

    Putin is saying that he is an anti-Communist too and is prepared to “decommunise” Ukraine — by undoing what the Bolsheviks did in setting up a fake Ukrainian state as member state of the so-called USSR (“Union of Soviet Socialist Republics”) and indeed of the UN. Which ought to mean that he too is all in favour of toppling of the statues of Lenin.

    Putin the humourist, not a side we normally see.

    #228895
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Topples Lenin, but has images of Stalin and of himself and Shoigu among the ikons in his new military cathedral. Also allows units to fly the old Soviet flag. His humour knows no bounds!

    I still prefer Spike Milligan.

    #228896
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Russian church steeple with Soviet red star next to crosses.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/XHXDdHfXDCNSkGQH6

    #228897
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Stalin graced with the blessing of the Virgin Mary.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/A5WYUFmT2ThF2rJU7

    What say you to that, Uncle Joe?
    (Stalin chortling):

    https://images.app.goo.gl/KLNdDNsVDzhJ5UQ96

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    #228899
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    https://en.internationalism.org/content/17163/confronted-war-and-economic-crisis-working-class-must-not-make-any-sacrifices

    The retaliation with economic sanctions against Russia is going to lead to shortages of raw materials in a large number of European countries and the loss of markets in Russia for some of them. The prices of raw materials will keep rising for a long time and, as a result, so will the prices of many other goods. The recession will affect the whole world, bringing with it widespread poverty and increased exploitation of the working class.

    #228903
    KarlKorsch
    Participant

    just on the issue of nationalism – whilst I suppose I disfavour it in principle, history shows that the “national problem” doesn’t always vanish under different versions of Marxism/Socialism and as a mobilizing force it is incredibly powerful (obvious example is India’s epic struggle against British rule of course) as history also attests to:

    “The fact that the proletariat will have carried out the social revolution will not turn it into a saint”. Lenin 1916 – Critical Remarks on the National Question.

    #228904
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Marxism and socialism do not support nationalism. Only leftwingers and Leninists support nationalism

    #228905
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    We had said several times that the Bolshevik ‘revolution” ( or coup ) was similar to the English Protestant bourgeoise revolution

    God behind Iron Curtain

    The Communist Party of Cuba ( PCC ) has said that Santeria is part of the people’s cultures, and in their bylaws, they have eliminated their opposition toward religion, and the government built a church for the Greek Orthodox church, they welcomed Paul II as a great defender of the human rights, they needed his approval to obtain Europeans investors

    #228907

    Statement of the Zapatistas

    A good statement from the Zapatistas:

    “Fifth: In short, our friends there, who raise the anarchist flag of freedom, stand firm: there are those in Donbas in Ukraine in resistance, and those who walk and work the streets and fields of Russia in rebellion. There are people in Russia who have been arrested and beaten up for protesting the war. There are people in Ukraine who have been murdered by the Russian army.

    This unites them amongst themselves as well as with us, not just in saying NO to war, but also in the refusal to “align themselves” with governments that oppress their own people.

    In the midst of the confusion and chaos on both sides, they remain firm in their convictions: their fight for freedom, their repudiation of borders and their Nation-States, and their respective oppressions that only differ in the color of their flags.

    Our duty is to support them to the best of our ability. A word, an image, a tune, a dance, a raised fist, or a hug that even from distant geographies provide support that will lift their hearts.”

    #228909
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I will take your word for it ! I couldn’t make out what she was saying. It read like she was trying to explain to her children what was going on in some faraway land.

    #228910
    robbo203
    Participant

    Not to condone in any way the atrocities the Russian military has committed but the relentless tide of hysterical pro-Ukrainian propaganda in my newsfeed has surely plumbed new depths of hypocrisy and double talk. Here’s the latest: “Russian army ‘writing itself into world history as most barbaric and inhumane'”

    I mean, come on. I would have thought the scale of what the American military did in Iraq surpasses what is happening in Ukraine by a wide margin. And what about the bombardment by Ukrainian forces of civilian targets in Donbas since 2014? What is the figure? 8000 dead or something like that? But barely a word from our morally challenged western media

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-army-writing-itself-into-world-history-as-most-barbaric-and-inhumane/ar-AAWpjm2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1403d4b281a14f0f9fcfbe5c4255a2bf

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    #228913

    This is curious:
    2,000 militants, loyal to Kiev, still remain entrenched at the Azovstal steel plant in the city

    “President Vladimir Putin has called Shoigu’s plan of storming the area “inadvisable” and instead ordered him to “safely block” the area while extending to those inside another offer to lay down their arms. The last hold outs are cut off from supplies.” All the propaganda up till now was that the Ukrainian forces in the steelworks would be bombed out, it seems a longer term siege is the plan (maybe it would be too costly to dig them out)?

    #228914
    ALB
    Keymaster

    It will be part of the “misinformation” war. If you listen carefully to what the commander of the Ukraine marines holed up there (rather than the leaders of the Azov Brigade) said in a video the other day he hinted that the army high command had ordered them not to surrender and that he had to be obey this order.

    The Ukrainian government appears to want them and the civilians they are using as human shields to be killed so as to turn western public opinion further against Russia. It would seem that Putin is seeking to avoid falling into that trap. He will also want to capture members of the Azov brigade alive so he can parade them and their Nazi tattoos on tv. His army already effectively controls Mariupol anyway.

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