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April 15, 2022 at 11:39 pm #228813
alanjjohnstone
KeymasterI find it interesting that the media is glorifying a “soldier of fortune” who first fought for the Kurds in Syria and then moved to Ukraine in 2018 to join the Ukrainian military.
Surely they should be questioning his attraction to war and fighting.
April 15, 2022 at 11:56 pm #228814Anonymous
InactiveThey will glorify bill laden if he would be fighting for the Ukrainian. Ronald Reagan received the Taliban leaders at the White House and they were called freedom fighters At the usps there were pictures of Joseph Stalin next to Roosevelt calling him our Allied and friends
April 16, 2022 at 3:24 am #228815Anonymous
InactiveMerchants of death. They can elect a Cherokee or an Apache and he or she will do the same job as anybody else. The problem is capitalism and the market system
Pentagon summons eight biggest arms firms for talks on supplying weapons to Ukraine
April 16, 2022 at 3:40 pm #228822Thomas_More
ParticipantSeems one was wrong here also about Finland and Sweden. They will almost certainly be joining NATO.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/finland-sweden-set-to-join-nato-war-ukraine-latest-7m8bn6mf8
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April 16, 2022 at 6:21 pm #228825Young Master Smeet
Moderator“It very soon became clear that not only was Zelensky’s party not a real party, that this populist leader never had a populist movement behind him, but that he didn’t even have a real team that was capable of proceeding with any consistent policies. His first government lasted for about half a year. He then fired his chief of staff and there was continual turnover in ministerial positions. The lack of a serious team meant that Zelensky quite quickly fell into the same trap as Poroshenko, prey to the most powerful agents in Ukrainian politics: the oligarchic clans, the radical-nationalists, liberal civil society and the Western governments, all pushing for their specific agendas, and the inflated mass expectations about radical changes after an ‘electoral Maidan’ that finally brought ‘new faces’ to the government. Within this trap, Zelensky was trying to build his own ‘vertical of power’, a typical informal ‘chain of command’ in post-Soviet politics. But he was not especially successful in that.”
A Ukrainian sociologist talks in an interesting way about the back story to what has been going on, it’s well worth a read.
April 16, 2022 at 8:59 pm #228828ALB
KeymasterSomeone who has a real stake in the outcome of the war — Ukraine’s richest oligarch. He wants his steelworks (plural) back:
April 16, 2022 at 9:48 pm #228829Young Master Smeet
ModeratorFrom the sounds of it, there’s not going to be much of the Azovstal works left, considering it’s where the Azov Battalion are making their last stand.
April 18, 2022 at 1:19 am #228837alanjjohnstone
KeymasterWith the usual caveat that Grayzone’s political position is a contrarian one such as denying Assad used chemical weapons in Syria, it presents in this article an analysis of Ukraine’s authoritarianism and activities of its SBU
April 18, 2022 at 5:42 am #228838alanjjohnstone
Keymaster200,000 Russians have abandoned their homes and jobs because they are disgusted by the Kremlin’s attack on Ukraine and the largely enthusiastic response to the war by their compatriots.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/18/why-white-collar-russians-flee-two
Will they receive as a warm welcome as the Ukrainians have?
April 18, 2022 at 6:45 am #228839ALB
KeymasterThat article, in view of other reports, is not unbelievable. One criticism of it would be that it describes the pro-Russian politicians and parties as “leftwing” whereas they are Russian nationalists.
As in all wars, atrocities are being committed by both sides but we are being asked to back one of them. What is particularly hypocritical is that the side we are told that we should back is claimed to be fighting for democracy, the rule of law and all that. But they are just Ukrainian nationalists out to defend the existence and territorial integrity of the Ukrainian capitalist state.
April 18, 2022 at 1:39 pm #228841alanjjohnstone
KeymasterWhy the empathy for Ukraine and not others
https://www.dw.com/en/the-weird-science-of-empathy/a-61394542
April 18, 2022 at 1:43 pm #228842Thomas_More
ParticipantBy exploiting our natural empathy, but only presenting us with images and reports from one side.
April 18, 2022 at 5:04 pm #228843KarlKorsch
ParticipantJust seen this on Twitter – “Three days ago, @thetimes reported the presence of UK “boots on the ground” in Ukraine. As in: British soldiers have been deployed physically inside Ukraine territory. But there hardly seems to be any controversy, followup coverage, or even discussion of this. Very odd”.
Three days ago, @thetimes reported the presence of UK "boots on the ground" in Ukraine. As in: British soldiers have been deployed physically inside Ukraine territory. But there hardly seems to be any controversy, followup coverage, or even discussion of this. Very odd
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) April 18, 2022
April 18, 2022 at 6:02 pm #228844alanjjohnstone
KeymasterNo headlines in the media about Ukraine’s use of cluster bombs although reported by the New York Times.
April 18, 2022 at 6:52 pm #228845ALB
KeymasterThis looks like another piece of fake news. Why would Russian troops bother to restore a statute of Lenin? Don’t those behind this know that “communism” (state capitalism) ended in Russia 30 years ago?
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