Russian Tensions
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April 13, 2022 at 8:29 am #228727ALBKeymaster
I wouldn’t have thought Ukraine is paying. Probably the US is, but it is clear who is benefitting — the merchants of death:
“WASHINGTON, April 12 (Reuters) – The Pentagon will host leaders from the top eight U.S. weapons manufacturers on Wednesday to discuss the industry’s capacity to meet Ukraine’s weapons needs if the war with Russia lasts years, two people familiar with the meeting said on Tuesday.
Demand for weapons has shot up after Russia’s invasion on Feb. 24 spurred U.S. and allied weapons transfers to Ukraine. Resupplying as well as planning for a longer war is expected to be discussed at the meeting, the sources told Reuters on condition of anonymity.”https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-asks-top-8-us-arms-makers-meet-ukraine-sources-2022-04-12/
April 13, 2022 at 8:58 am #228728Thomas_MoreParticipant“The workers will give their verdict in the November mid-term elections.”
Unfortunately, their verdict will more likely be based on their seeing Biden as “weak” in not putting troops into Ukraine, and voting for more hawkishness and confrontation with Russia.
April 13, 2022 at 10:23 am #228730ALBKeymasterI think the more likely result is that they will vote against Biden’s party on the grounds that they blame him for getting into a war “half a world away” that has increased their cost of living. People tend to vote on bread and butter issues not foreign policy which they see, rightly or wrongly, as of no relevance to them in their daily life.
April 13, 2022 at 5:55 pm #228752alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThe Ukrainian draft dodgers, reportedly as many as 15,000 to date.
April 13, 2022 at 10:09 pm #228763AnonymousInactiveUkraine non-white refugee
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has created an unprecedented humanitarian and refugee crisis in Europe, not seen since World War II, classified by the UNHCR as a level 3 emergency – the highest level available.
Over 4 million refugees – mostly women, children, and students – have fled Ukraine over the past month. In response, Europe has opened its arms to Ukrainian refugees and the EU has announced that all Ukrainians are eligible for temporary refugee protection for up to three years, with politicians and the public showing their support. This is how the international refugee protection regime should work.
According to official Ukrainian government statistics, Ukraine had over 76,000 foreign students in 2020. About 20,000 of these were Indians and over 15,000 originated from Africa, mainly from Nigeria, Morocco and Egypt. In contrast, they have had a very different experience fleeing Ukraine.
African and Asian students have described horrid stories of being beaten with sticks by Ukrainian security, pushed off buses and trains, and neglected in favour of Ukrainians. And recent disturbing reports suggest that they are also being unfairly detained at EU borders – being denied access to protection, basic human rights, and dignity, as well as being threatened with deportation.
April 14, 2022 at 9:54 am #228773Thomas_MoreParticipantLooking very likely now that Finland will join NATO.
April 15, 2022 at 12:13 am #228784AnonymousInactiveProbably, all the ex soviets Republicans are going to join NATO or the EU
April 15, 2022 at 2:13 am #228786alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWill Ukrainians asylum seekers be sent to Rwanda?
Of course not.
There is now a two-tier refugee system practiced by the UK.
April 15, 2022 at 4:00 am #228787AnonymousInactiveThere are some frictions at the Mexican border because Central American and Mexicans refugees are claiming that Ukrainian are being treated in a different way because they are white and they arrived after them
April 15, 2022 at 1:06 pm #228800ALBKeymasterRobbo has drawn attention on our Facebook page to this case. Here is how it is reported from both sides but the fact that he has been arrested and faces trial is not disputed:
Both sides are trying to stamp out opposition to the war in their states.
The Ukrainian secret service, the SBU, will also be a descendant of the KGB. According to the Wikipedia entry on the Security Service of Ukraine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Service_of_Ukraine):
“According to reports of UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine, the SBU personnel is accountable for multiple cases of human rights abuses including enforced disappearings, sexual violence, and torture.
In 2016, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch reported that the SBU operates secret detention facilities where civilians are held incommunicado being subjected to improper treatment and torture.”And we are being asked to take sides between these two authoritarian regimes.
April 15, 2022 at 7:57 pm #228808alanjjohnstoneKeymasterGerman Finance Minister Christian Lindner has confirmed that the government will boost military assistance spending in 2022 to €2 billion
April 15, 2022 at 9:01 pm #228809ALBKeymasterSo it’s guns before butter as well as a rise in the price of butter. I don’t think that workers in Germany — and elsewhere — are going to like the pain their rulers want to impose on them to support Ukraine in the Ukraino-Russian War.
April 15, 2022 at 9:40 pm #228810ALBKeymasterJust saw this. The Greens’ view on how to support NATO’s proxy war against Russia, even if it’s a pain they want to impose on us anyway:
“Germans are being urged to turn down their heating by a degree and use the train or bike over Easter to help reduce their dependence on Russian gas and oil.
‘It’s easy on the wallet and annoys Putin,’ says Economics Minister Robert Habeck, who’s also joint leader of the Greens, one of three parties running Germany.”April 15, 2022 at 11:00 pm #228811AnonymousInactiveThey want us to eat bullets and flags instead of bread and butter, and ‘peoples’ continue supporting an economic system that does not want to support them
April 15, 2022 at 11:02 pm #228812Young Master SmeetModeratorThis video Is interesting. it proposes three Russian war aims:
1: Secure water for Crimea (I hadn’t known Ukraine had cut off the water supply). This sounds plausible.
2: Secure eastern gas fields (I think, actually, the whole of the natural resources in the East are the goal, and a partitioned Ukraine with only the agricultural area to the East still being ‘Ukraine’
3: Grab all the Black Sea coast, landlocking Ukraine: I think this is plausible, it would weaken the state.I hadn’t heard about the water, but this does all paint the war in even grubbier colours…
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